Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:07:48 CST From: K Ration Subject: Family Friends - Chapter 23 Well, here is a chapter with a bit of a twist. Mainly talk, letting the theme develop some more. Family Friends Chapter Twenty-three New Experiences For Fathers & Sons The remainder of the school year was pretty tame at the Riggle and Brown homes. The kids were all good students and truly applied themselves to their homework. Outside activities such as band and cheerleading, ball games, etc. kept them busy and active so there was less time to spend together alone. As they continued to mature, the boys watched with interest as their penises continued to grow and their pubic hair became thicker. The girls watched their breasts grow and their pubic hair spread. The families had cookouts and played cards as they always had and celebrated Thanksgiving and Christmas together as usual. The major difference this year was that most of their activities, including Thanksgiving dinner and Christmas gift exchange were shared in the nude. As the kids adopted communal nudity with more and more self confidence, the naked lifestyle became common for both families, alone and together. Under this calm surface, however, remained the under current of sexuality. Steve and Janet continued their normal sexual relationship as did Bob and Ann. But privately, each couple talked once in a while of their same sex experiences and even fantasized about them as part of their foreplay. The twins continued to share their bathrooms openly as practicing nudists, and occasionally an erection would lead to mutual or shared masturbation. In late May, just before school was to adjourn for the summer, the two families got together at the Brown's for a cookout and evening of games. After dinner, the kids went upstairs to play video games while the parents sat around the glass kitchen table playing cards. They talked of things at the floral shop and the men's offices, the kids and their school activities, and the weather. Janet mentioned she thought they were going to have an early Summer as Spring was certainly in the air heavily this year. Asked to explain herself she said, "I just keep thinking of last Summer and Fall and how the kids took to being naked together so easily, how we found out the boys had been experimenting with each other sexually and the girls, too. Steve and I have noticed that things were pretty quiet doing the Winter, but now that school is almost out and Spring is here, I've noticed an increase in semen stains in Rusty's undershorts and pajama bottoms." With a look of surprise, Ann said, "Now that you mention it, I've noticed that in Rex's clothes too. In fact, I think that's what was on a towel I found in the clothes hamper." Then, with a worried look, she said, "You don't suppose the boys are doing things with their sisters do you?" Janet replied, "No, I'm pretty sure that isn't happening, but I can't forget how I saw the girls playing with each other in our sauna and how Bob described the boys playing with each other in your sauna. It still excites me." Ann responded, "Yeah, and Bob and I keep thinking about what happened that night last September between you and me and between him and Steve." The card game had continued as the girls were talking. Noticing that the men hadn't said anything, Janet said, "Don't you guys have anything to say?" With a laugh he couldn't repress any longer, Steve nodded towards Bob's side of the table and said, "I think Bob and I have said all we need to say." Looking down at the table top, the women saw Bob's penis standing erect in his lap, and looking over at Steve's side of the table saw that he had an erection also. Bob said, with a laugh, "Is this what they mean when they say `a picture is worth a thousand words?'" They were laughing at what Bob said when all four of the kids came into the kitchen for drinks. Caught unprepared, the men didn't have time to cover their hardons with their hands which still held their cards, and they didn't have towels or napkins. As the girls came up behind their Dads and the guys behind their Moms and looked at the cards being played, Nancy was the first to notice her Dad's erection. "Dad!" she exclaimed, smiling. After glancing quickly over at Mr. Riggle and seeing what Nancy had seen, Brigitte looked down at her Dad's lap and saw his erection. "Dad!" she exclaimed, standing rooted to the spot. The men turned beet red with embarrassment, their penises immediately beginning to get soft. Everyone seemed frozen in time for several seconds before the girls turned away and went to the `frig. The boys stood a little longer looking at their Dad's softening erections, each feeling some compassion and excitement at the situation. Their Mothers noticed them beginning to get hardons of their own just before the boys followed their sisters to the `frig for drinks. After the kids had gone upstairs, the parents agreed that Steve and Bob needed to find an opportunity to talk to their sons as soon as possible and explain that the adults hadn't been doing anything that would have embarrassed the kids. As soon as the kids got upstairs, they began talking among themselves about what they had seen. While the girls had been embarrassed by their own father's erection, they admitted to finding the other's interesting and somewhat exciting. The boys explained how they had reacted to seeing their Dad's hardons and how they had felt embarrassed for their Dads but excited at the same time. By the time the kids had finished talking about the whole matter, both boys had erections of their own which they weren't even trying to hide from the girls. Eventually, however, their penises became soft again as they continued to play video games. The next night, Steve suggested to Rusty that the two of them sit in the sauna for awhile. Taking their towels, father and son went out and turned on the heat, taking some water with them to pour on the coals. After they had sat for awhile and were sweating profusely, Steve finally brought up the situation from the night before. He explained what had happened, that his and Bob's erections had been unintentional, had occurred quite naturally, just as Rusty sometimes got hard without his thinking about it or even wanting it to. "I'm sure you know by now that a guy's penis can get hard for no apparent reason. That doesn't change as you get older. But you know as well as I do that thinking or talking about sex can cause that to happen, too, even in circumstances which would normally prevent it, like last night." Rusty and the other kids hadn't really been upset by what they had seen last night. But he was glad his Dad was willing to talk about it and was concerned about how his and Bob's erections might have affected them. "I know, Dad. We weren't really upset, just surprised, that's all. I mean, you and I saw each other that way last fall, but I don't think Nancy has ever seen you with a hardon, and I'm pretty sure Rex hasn't seen his Dad with one so I know Brigitte hasn't. What were you guys actually talking about anyway?" As Steve began telling his son about Bob's accidental look through the sauna door, he felt himself getting hard just from imagining it and from the memory of his son's erection in the spa. As Rusty listened to his Dad's story and noticed his developing erection, his own penis began to get hard. "You mean you and Mr. Brown have known about Rex and me playing with each other all this time?" Rusty asked with surprise, his penis reaching full erection. "Well sure, son," his Dad replied. "I knew something was going on between you two from the questions you asked me in the spa that night. You were pretty obvious, you know. If I remember correctly, you even asked about oral sex." Steve watched his son turn crimson red with that comment and saw his penis throbbing in his lap. Looking down at his lap, he could hardly refrain from grabbing his own erection. As the two sat there and looked at each other, their glances moving from face to lap and back again, Steve continued. "Remember you asked me if guys ever had oral sex with each other?" "Yes sir," Rusty replied tentatively. "And I said yes, sometimes. Remember?" "Yes sir," Rusty answered. Looking at his son's penis throbbing in his lap, he asked, "Do you mind telling me if you and Rex have ever tried it?" "Dad!" Rusty exclaimed, sitting upright and grabbing his crotch. Steve hurried on, "I'm sorry, that was kind of unexpected, wasn't it. I was just curious, that's all. You see, when I was just a little older than you, a friend of mine offered to do me if I would do him. I said no and we just played with each other. But I've often thought back to that night and wondered what it would have been like. Then that night last fall when Bob told me about seeing you three boys in the sauna, he and I got so turned on remembering the experiences we had like that when we were your age that we started playing with each other and that led to us trying oral sex. I just wondered if you and Rex had experienced that, yet." As Rusty watched his Dad's hand move to his lap and press down on his erection to relieve the tension, he said, "Did you go all the way? I mean did he cum in your mouth?" He couldn't believe he and his Dad were having this conversation or sitting here together with hardons in plain view, but at this moment he felt like he was talking with an older brother for the first time in his life. He knew he'd never have another opportunity like this, just as he knew he'd never have an older brother. "No," Steve answered quickly. "Neither of us was willing to go that far." After a few moments to gather his thoughts and his courage, moments during which he couldn't help stroking himself, even if his Dad was watching, Rusty said, somewhat sheepishly, "Yes sir, Rex and I tried it once." Then, taking courage from the look of acceptance on his Dad's face, he continued more confidently, "Actually, it felt rather good. We did each other at the same time and went all the way. Rex's stuff didn't taste bad at all." Rusty didn't really understand the sudden flush that crept over his Dad's face, or the catch in his breath. He thought his Dad was reacting to what he had done. He didn't realize Steve was actually picturing his next opportunity with Bob. Suddenly, Steve stood up, his erection uncovered, bobbing in front of him. Rusty felt like there wasn't any place else to look as he just stared at his Dad's curving hardon. "I don't know if you can encourage Rex or not, but I know Bob would love to be able to talk about this sort of thing with him. He envies the conversations you and I have, but he can't seem to find the confidence to initiate them. He just doesn't know how Rex would react. If Rex could initiate it, Bob would be thrilled." Grabbing his towel, he said, "I can see you have something you want to do, but I can't stay here while you do it. I'm going inside now. Just don't leave a mess on the floor, OK?" Saying that, he leaned over and kissed his son on the forehead and left the sauna. Walking around the pool, carrying his towel, too sexually stimulated at the moment to care who might be looking, Steve turned to look back at the sauna as he got to the spa. As he did so, he saw Rusty's face at the window. Then he saw it disappear. Steve thought Rusty had been looking to see that his Dad had gone back inside. Actually, Rusty had simply been looking at his Dad and thinking how much he loved him. That kiss on the forehead had meant as much as their frank and open discussion about sex. Making a sudden decision, Steve reversed his steps and walked quickly back to the sauna. Peering cautiously through the window, he saw Rusty sitting where he had been, leaning back against the wall, eyes closed, masturbating. All Steve could think about was his own childhood and what his penis looked like at his son's age. Now he knew for certain how Bob had felt last fall. As he watched Rusty masturbate, Steve grabbed his own cock and began stroking himself. He wasn't even aware of what he was doing until he saw Rusty's cum shoot from the end of his penis and fly towards the opposite bench, falling onto a towel Rusty had put on the floor. This brought on his own climax as realization suddenly dawned on him. He caught his semen in his towel at the last minute. Hurrying to get to the house before Rusty cleaned up and left the sauna, Steve thought to himself, Now Janet's going to have semen stains in two towels. The next day at school, Rusty told Rex almost everything about his conversation the night before. He told how he and his Dad had both gotten erections but hadn't been embarrassed by them, how he felt like he had an older brother to talk to, about how his Dad admitted to wondering what oral sex with a guy would be like. He didn't tell his friend about Mr. Brown looking through the window or that their fathers had tried oral sex with each other or that he had told his Dad about the two of them going down on each other. When he was finished, Rex was looking kind of sad. "I wish my Dad and I could talk that way," Rex said. "My Dad said your Dad feels the same way you do. He really envies the way Dad and I can talk about this sort of thing but he's afraid how you'd react if he tried to bring it up," Rusty replied. Looking at his friend in amazement, Rex said, "Are you kidding? I never knew Dad felt that way." Rusty said, "Obviously he doesn't know how you feel either. Dad says he thinks if you could initiate the conversation, your Dad would pick up the ball and run with it. You might try it." "I will!" Rex exclaimed excitedly. "Tonight!" That night after dinner, Rex approached his Dad as he read the paper. "Can we talk?" he asked. Putting the paper down, Bob looked up and said, "Sure, son. What's on your mind?" Shifting his feet a little and glancing over at his mother and sister on the couch, Rex said, "Could we go out to the spa where it's private?" Mother and daughter looked up from their reading with curious glances as Bob answered, "Sure." As Rex hurried out to turn on the heat and filter, Bob said to Ann, "Sounds like we need to be left alone for awhile." And he glanced at his daughter as he left the room. Ann and Brigitte just looked at each other with slight smiles and went back to their reading. When Bob came out into the yard, he found Rex already sitting in the spa. He noticed the light, filter and heater were on, but the blower wasn't. "Don't you want the bubbles?" he asked. "The blower makes too much noise," Rex replied. Then, as his Dad climbed into the spa, he went on hurriedly. "Dad, Rusty was telling me that he and his Dad talked last night about what happened during your card game the other night. They talked about all kinds of stuff. Could we talk about that?" Bob was thrilled. He didn't know Steve was behind this. All he knew was he was finally getting his wish. But he was still a little cautious and unsure how to proceed. After all, he and Rex had never talked openly about sexual matters. "Sure, son," he said. "What all did Rusty tell you about his talk with his Dad?" Rusty said, "He didn't tell me anything. He just said his Dad had explained to him why you guys had erections and one thing led to another and they talked about a lot of stuff." Taking his cue from that, Bob went on to give his son the same explanation of the events leading up to his and Steve's erections that Steve had given Rusty. He apologized for not being able to hide it before the kids came in the room, but stressed that nothing embarrassing had been going on among the adults. "Oh, you don't need to apologize, Dad. We weren't upset, or anything, just surprised. I mean, Rusty had already seen his Dad with a hardon once when they were in their spa together but I'd never seen you like that, much less Mr. Riggle. And I guess Brigitte and Nancy have seen you and Mr. Riggle naked often enough now that your hardons were more startling than embarrassing." Hearing his son use the word hardon twice already, Bob found it sexually stimulating. As he felt himself starting to get hard, he said, "Hardon is a word more appropriate for use with people your own age, Rex. How about us referring to it as an erection." "Sure, Dad," Rex replied, noticing his Dad's penis in the water and beginning to get an erection of his own. Rex went on, "We talked about your erections a little when we got upstairs; by the time we were through, Rusty and I had gotten hard, too. The girls just teased us about them and they went away." Bob and Rex continued to talk about erections, how they come and go at some inappropriate times and what to do about them. At one point, Bob said, "I know you and Rusty already know about masturbation. That's a very normal thing for young people to do, by the way." Rex was starting to see what Rusty had meant about feeling like he had an older brother to talk to. "Did you masturbate with your friends when you were my age?" he asked. "Yes, there were a couple of boys my age that I used to play with. We'd get together just like you and Rusty do and play with ourselves and each other. It was a great learning experience and gave me lots of memories. You know, I saw you and Rusty and Jack in the sauna that night." Rex had been looking at his penis swaying back and forth in the water. Looking up in surprise, he said, "You did?" "Yes," his Dad replied. "I came out to tell you guys your Mom and I were going to bed. But as I got to the door and looked through the window, I saw the three of you playing with each other's penis. It was actually quite stimulating. I thought I was looking through a time warp and watching myself and my friends." By this time both Bob and Rex had full erections. As Bob realized that Rex was looking at his, he looked down at his son's. He wondered for a moment if he should go inside but decided that Rex wasn't upset by seeing him with a hardon, and he felt they weren't through talking. Besides, he thought to himself, we've already seen each other's erections. Talking about them is what has brought these on. "To be honest," Bob went on, "Steve and I talked about it one night in our sauna. We both got so stimulated talking about what you boys were doing and reminiscing about our boyhood experiences that we ended up playing with each other." Reaching down to grasp his penis in his hand and giving it a squeeze, Rex said breathlessly, "Are you serious? I think that's neat. Feels good, doesn't it?" His Dad could hardly believe his ears. Here he was with a full blown hardon admitting to his son that he had masturbated with another man while his son played with his own penis right there in front of him (granted, he thought Rex wasn't really aware of what he was doing), and his son remarks about how good it feels. Amazing! He thought. "What feels good, Rex?" he asked. "Having some guy's hand on your penis or having your hand on another guy's penis?" "Both," Rex answered. "I like playing with Rusty's penis as much as when he plays with mine." After a moment, Bob said, "Yeah, I guess you're right." As he watched his Dad press down on his penis, Rex asked, "Dad, do you think my penis will look like yours when I'm grown up? When it's hard, I mean." Startled by the question, Bob replied, "Well, I don't know son. It might, but it might not. I never saw my Dad naked much less with an erection, so I don't know. But yours looks a lot like mine did when I was your age. Why?" Letting go of his penis and standing up so that it stuck out just above the surface of the water, Rex answered, "Well, see? The head of mine is kind of pointed like yours is, but not as much. And I like how yours looks, so I was just wondering." Bob was mesmerized. His son was standing there with his erect penis just a foot or two from his face as though it was the most natural thing to do. But he could feel his own erection throb as a result of what he was seeing, and he found it hard to look away. Before he could answer, Rex said, "See? And another thing. When I saw Mr. Riggle's erection the other night, it was curved and laying in his lap. But Rusty's is real straight and sticks straight out like mine does, so I don't think his is going to look just like his Dad's. I think Rusty's glad his doesn't curve like his dad's. I know I am." Without thinking about what he was doing, Bob reached up and put his finger on the end of Rex's penis, pushing it down and letting it go, a playful gesture he used to share with his friends. "I don't think you have anything to worry about on that score. Yours looks pretty straight to me." Rex turned beet red when his Dad did that, but he wasn't offended. In fact, he was rather proud of his erection and realized his Dad was too. He sat down and put his hands over his penis, using his fingers to tickle the underneath side of it occasionally. After a few minutes, Rex asked, "Dad, did you ever have oral sex with any of those guys you used to masturbate with?" Bob was so shocked he almost choked. He had always wanted to be able to talk to Rex about personal things, but he never imagined it would go this far. How am I going to handle this? He thought. Well, you wanted it, and you got it. It's too late to put limitations on it, and besides, Rex seems to be handling things rather openly. After a long pause, he answered, "No, Rex, I never did. Not until last fall anyway." Seeing the questioning look on his son's face, he swallowed and went on, "That night in the sauna with Mr. Riggle? After we played with each other, he took me in his mouth. He said he'd had a chance to do it when he was young and hadn't and he'd always wondered what it would have been like. So that night he asked if he could do it to me and I said yes. Gosh, we were so turned on we couldn't think straight." "What was it like?" Rex asked. "Are you sure you want to talk about this, son? Doesn't what I just said bother you?" With a look of innocence, Rex answered, "Sure I want to talk about it. It's exciting. And no it doesn't bother me. Rusty told me his Dad had said that guys some times do it to each other, so what's the big deal?" Amazed at how easy it was for his son to talk about this particular matter, Bob went on, "Well, it felt a lot like when your Mom does it. I mean it really wasn't all that much different. What was really different was when I put his penis in my mouth. Never having done that before, I was really curious to see what your Mom felt when she did it to me. It was kind of neat, I guess." Bob wasn't about to tell his son how utterly exciting it had been or how much he was looking forward to the next time. Looking down into the water and seeing that Rex was stroking his penis again, Bob asked, "Have you and Rusty gone that far yet?" Again, he was surprised with the ease with which Rex responded. "Sure," Rex said. "We did it to each other at the same time. His stuff doesn't taste all that bad." "You mean you came in each other's mouth?" Bob asked incredulously. "Yes sir, didn't you and Mr. Riggle?" Rex replied. "No, we didn't. Neither of us was ready for that." By this time, Bob had given up and had wrapped his hand around his penis. Although he was trying not to stroke it, he was fighting a losing battle, and he saw that Rex wasn't even trying. He had closed his eyes and was blatantly masturbating. Bob sat there and stroked himself for a few minutes until he saw that Rex had opened his eyes and was watching him. "I think I need to leave," Bob said. "You obviously have something you want to do." As he stood up, his erection several inches above the water line, he saw Rex stop masturbating to stare at it. He was certain he saw a look of admiration in his son's eyes, and his heart filled with pride, just as his penis throbbed and bobbed in front of him. "Dad," Rex said in a tone of understanding way beyond his years, "it looks like you have something you need to take care of too. You didn't bring any clothes with you and a towel isn't going to hide that. Maybe you should sit in the sauna for a while before you go inside." Bob just looked at his son in amazement, then turned and climbed out of the spa. He grabbed his towel and went directly to the sauna, automatically hitting the light switch as he entered. Moments later, Rex climbed out of the spa and scurried over to the sauna. Cautiously, he peeked inside. There he saw his Dad sitting on the bench facing the door, his head back against the wall, eyes closed, one hand playing with his balls as the other stroked his erection rapidly. Rex loved the shape of his father's penis and truly hoped his would develop the same way. He continued to stare through the window as he grabbed his own penis and began stroking himself. Soon his Dad's hand moved faster and faster on his penis and then stopped still, his fingers squeezing intermittently as he reached his climax, cum shooting out so far Rex was sure some of it must have hit the door. Wow! thought Rex, Rusty and I have never cum that far. Before his Dad could finish and clean up, Rex hurried back to the spa and continued to masturbate. He wasn't going to stand up and cum in the grass tonight. He wanted to see what it would look like to shoot into the water. He was just beginning to cum as he heard his Dad come out of the sauna. Bob looked over and saw how Rex was sitting up straight, his head bent to look down into the water. He realized Rex must be watching himself cum as he saw the boy's shoulders jerk spasmodically. I think there's a lot I'll leave out when I tell Ann about tonight's conversation, he thought as he wrapped his towel around his waist and went inside.