Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:14:53 EDT From: Irish3625@aol.com Subject: Little Hatch Chapters 3-4 The story below is purely fiction. It does not depict any actual events, although some of the characters and events are loosely based on my experiences in Boy Scouts and at Summer Camp. If you are turned off by sex between men and boys or boys and other boys, please look somewhere else for your reading pleasure. If these types of stories are illegal in you city, state or country, please move on to other adventures Chapter Five -- The Beginning Stephen Michael Hatcher was born on May 28, 1982 to Jeff and Lynn Hatcher who had been married for close to 5 years. The Hatchers, like many young couples, had their ups and downs early in their marriage. Stephen was their second try for a baby, the first ended in a miscarriage during their first year married. This created a little tension in the new couple's life. No one ever expected them to stay married. Jeff was from rural Pennsylvania, Lynn from a big city in central New Jersey; Jeff was a non religious Methodist, Lynn a devout and practicing Catholic; Jeff was a self employed carpenter, Lynn was a well paid staff assistant to a Vice President in a major New York City bank; Jeff was a raucous party guy, Lynn was quiet and shy; Jeff was pretty experienced in "social" activities, Lynn had only dated one guy since high school. One thing they did share in common was that both came from big families with 4 other siblings, all brothers. They met in Pennsylvania. Lynn was visiting a friend of hers who had moved from the city up to Milton, a small Pennsylvania town near the borders of New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. It was peaceful and quiet town, nestled on the banks of the Delaware River. Lynn and Jeff met in a diner in the center of town, and they fell in love instantly. After the miscarriage, there was a period where they abstained from sex. This was the most trying period for both. Jeff, of course, loved sex. Lynn was pretty naive about the subject, and was afraid to ask for advice from those she was close to. Somehow they managed to overcome their problems, and the result was a beautiful baby boy they named Stephen (after Jeff's dad) Michael (after Lynn's oldest brother), who later was nicknamed Little Hatch. While Lynn carried Stephen, she was always afraid that something might happen, and she was extremely careful about her food intake and her daily activities. She spent a lot of time off her feet, and went to the doctor at the slightest hint of any difficulty. When the time came close for delivery, both Jeff and Lynn finally made plans. If it was a girl, Stephanie Michelle or a boy, Stephen Michael. The baby would be baptized Catholic, with Lynn's friend in Milton, Edie, as the Godmother and Lynn's brother Michael as the Godfather. Their plan for religious instruction was to follow the Catholic traditions thru the child's 13th birthday, and then let the child decide if there would be a change in religious teaching. They had also decided that if the child was male, that they would not have the boy circumcised. This was Jeff's idea. None of the male members of his family had been cut at birth, and he wanted to insure that the boy was not mutilated at birth. Lynn agreed with Jeff's decision, after all the boy should be the same as his dad. In fact, Lynn was kind of intrigued by Jeff's uncut penis. All of her broth ers had been circumcised, and when she first had sex with Jeff, it was the first time that she had ever seen a foreskin, and she was enthralled with the ease of movement of the skin over the tip. She also loved the taste of the juice under the foreskin. Her experience with sucking had included several sessions with two of her brothers when she was young, and the once or twice that she performed oral sex on her boyfriend. She had never known that the foreskin was removed at birth from her brothers, or from her boyfriend. She believed all boys were born circumcised. When Stephen was born, however, he was unusually well endowed from the start. His penis was twice the normal length for a new born. This made Jeff proud, but the doctor recommended that their plan to leave the baby intact be changed because he felt that if the child wasn't circumcised the foreskin might create some problems in the future, and require that the operation be performed. The doctor asked Jeff outright if he thought that a required circumcision at The age of 7 or 8 or whatever was in the best interest to the child. "How do you explain to a young boy that you are going to cut off some skin and Put him in excruciating pain in his penis." Jeff agreed, and the young lad was cut. Little Hatch had a good childhood. He went to local schools, had lots of friends, and he was developing into a fine young boy. At all stages of his growth and development, however, his penis was always twice as big as any other boys his age. Of course, he was never aware of the fact that he was a lot bigger in the dick department, but his biggest asset was soon to spark the beginning of his youthful sexual encounters. When Stephen was 8, and going to the local parochial school, he was a good friend of Billy Cullanane, who was a few months older than he was. Billy was the son of Lynn's friend Edie, and their friendship had been a close one from a very early age. Billy's parents had received 4 tickets to a Broadway play in New York City, and had invited Jeff and Lynn to go down to NYC with them for a weekend vacation and to see the play. They were planning on staying in a NYC hotel, and visit the sights around mid town Manhattan. Edie's brother Eddie had agreed to baby sit the boys for the weekend, and Stephen was dropped off at Edie's Milton house for the weekend sleepover. Stephen and Billy had exchanged sleepovers several times, but usually Lynn or Edie were there. this was the first time that her brother Eddie had been in charge of both, but he had sat with Billy on several previous occasions. The day had gone very well, and Eddie was a lot easier that either Lynn or Edie. After dinner, both boys watched a movie, and were laying on the floor of the living room and Eddie was on the couch. When the movie ended, Eddie announced, "Okay boys, it's bath time." Both boys groaned, but got up and made their way into the bathroom. They waited while Eddie filled the tub with warm water, and then they stripped down to their white briefs, and then slipped out of the briefs and climbed into the tub totally naked. The boys had bathed together each time they had a sleepover, there was nothing unusual about their climbing into the tub together. When they got naked, Eddie gave them both the "once over". He had seen his nephew's 8 year old circumcised cock many times, but was stunned to see the size of the dick that was hanging in between Stephen's legs. It was twice the size of his nephew' s, and this was in a totally flaccid state. Eddie was getting excited, and had to turn away from the tub to keep the young boys from seeing his fast rising hard on that was tenting the front of his pants. Little Hatch didn't miss the growing bulge in the young man's crotch. In the past, he would experience some hardening of his "pee pee" but he didn't know why it would happen. He just knew that it eventually went back to it's softened state. Stephen did take the opportunity to glance at Billy's dick when he stripped off his briefs, and took notice that his was a great deal larger than Billy's. Basically they did have the same type of body part, at least as far as Stephen could see. After they were in the tub, Billy asked his uncle, "Are you going to get in the tub with us?" Eddie, whose back was turned to the boys to hide his erection, said, "No, not tonight. There's not enough room in the tub for all of us." Billy said, "We'll make room, won't we Stephen?" "Sure," Stephen said, "It will be fun for all of us." Eddie was still a little reluctant to turn around because his dick was still pretty hard, but he thought that it might be fun to join the boys in the tub. After all, this was an opportunity to cop a few feels with his cousin and that boy with the big dick. Billy pleaded with his uncle, "Come on, Uncle Eddie, lets play Navy Submarine. " "What's that?" Stephen asked. "You'll see," said Billy, "it's fun, and my uncle will make you feel real good." "Okay with me," said the visiting youngster. "Come on, Uncle Eddie, get into the tub with us," the boys said at the same time. "Well, you asked for it." Eddie began to take off his shirt, t shirt, shoes and sox. As he reached over to unbuckle his belt, both boys were watching him. "What are you guys looking at?" he asked. "Never seen a guy strip before?" As his jeans slipped down his legs, Stephen could see a huge bulge in the front of the young man's briefs. As he slipped them down to reveal his manhood, Stephen continued to stare at Eddie's crotch. He had never seen an adult's cock and balls before, and was surprised to see the thick black hair that surrounded his big cock and low hanging balls. Eddie, too, was circumcised. Not that the boys were aware of that, at this time. His cock was about 6 ½ inches long and it dangled between the man's legs, covering a good part of his ball sac. The boys got close together in the tub, and Eddie lifted one leg over the side of the tub, and got into it giving the boys a full frontal view of his manly body. It was tight but all three of them were now sitting in the base of the tub. Eddie was facing the two boys, with Stephen in the front, and Billy in the back. "Let's play Navy Submarine," Billy said again. "How do we play that," the visitor asked. "When Uncle Eddie tells us to dive, we lay down in the tub and submerge ourselves. When he says up periscope, you push your pee pee to the surface of the water. Then he says, load torpedo, you grab his pee pee and pretend to load it into the firing tube. And sometimes he will say, fire torpedo, and then you pull on his pee pee until it fires." Billy told him. "Sometimes he will load and fire your torpedo, that's when it feels good." The boy continued. "Okay," said Stephen, "it sounds like fun." They played for a while, sometimes Billy loaded Uncle Eddie's torpedo, then Uncle Eddie loaded Stephen's torpedo, and Stephen helped to load Billy's and Uncle Eddie's torpedo. But the only torpedo that fired was Uncle Eddie's. And it fired about 6 times into the bath water. The milky white streams that came out of Eddie's dick head were mixed into the water. While Uncle Eddie kept trying to fire the boys torpedoes each of them momentarily collapsed as they reached their dry climaxes in the warm tub. Billy was right, it did feel good. After close to an hour in the tub, Uncle Eddie got out, and dried himself off. He stood there, naked, with his manhood in full view, as he got the boys out of the tub, and went about the task of carefully drying each of the boys off before bed time. There was no hiding his hard on now. As he first dried Billy, his hands with and without the towel, were moving all over the little boys body. He spent a longe period of time slowly blotting the dampness from the boys little penis, and then his little boy butt. At one point, he pushed his finger up to the pucker of Billy's boy cunt. Billy just squirmed, and enjoyed the attention his uncle was giving him. Billy put on fresh white briefs, and headed for his bedroom. Stephen was next. His 3 inch pecker had shrunk a little in the long bath, but it was Still twice the size of Billy's, no where close to the size of Eddie's, but still a generous morsel for a boy this age. Eddie spend a great deal of time drying the visiting youngster off. And most of the attention was directed to the flesh between Stephen's legs, both front and back. Eddie dried under the head, around the tip, around the lip of the tip, the top and bottom, and the loose skin that was part of his circumcision scar. He dried between Stephen's legs, and then on to his butt. Again, special attention was paid to this part of the boys body, and the adult's fingers had slipped between the cheeks of the boys ass on several attempt to poke his pink boy pucker. The slow massaging of his body felt really good, and there was no way to hide it, his dick was beginning to grow, and he was feeling pretty warm throughout the entire length of his boy prick. Fresh briefs for him also, and it was then off to the bedroom for a good nights rest. Eddie remained naked when he went in to tuck the boys into bed. By this time, his hard on was full, and the 9 hard inches were pointing straight out from his body. He made no attempt to hide it, and made sure that both boys had a good opportunity to observe his man pride. He kissed both boys good night, and exited from the room. When Eddie got back into the living room, the urge to jerk off was too much to avoid. He closed his eyes and pictured his mouth around the extended dick and balls of his nephew's visitor. Just the thought of sucking the first load of cum from the elongated penis got him off after a few strokes. Dreaming of the young lad 's sweet juices had him shooting a load of 5 good ropes of cum, and kept him hard for a long time afterward. Eddie slipped on his own briefs, Jockeys, and laid on the couch. He was asleep in a short period of time. Little Hatch couldn't go to sleep. He lay there looking up at the ceiling. He could not forget the feeling that he experienced when Eddie and Billy were "tickling his pee pee." He could not forget how he felt when that "wave" of heat passed through his body as he convulsed from the manipulations of his sensitive boy tip. He felt like he had to pee, but then the heat went from his groin to his head, and he collapsed in the tub. Wow, it feel really great. He was wondering about those strings of white that were shot from the tip of Eddie's dick. Was Eddie alright? Was there something wrong with Stephen because he didn't shoot those strings? How about Billy? He didn't shoot them either. "Billy are you awake?" he whispered. "Are you awake? I can't go to sleep," he continued "Billy? Billy, I can't go to sleep." "I'm awake, Stephen. I can't go to sleep either," Billy responded. . "Billy, I can't believe the feelings that I got when your Uncle Eddie was playing Navy submarine with us. Does he play that game a lot with you?" "Yeah, every time he is over to baby sit. We always play that game in the tub. " "Did you ever fire a torpedo," Little Hatch asked? "No, Uncle Eddie told me that I was too young to fire a torpedo, but that I would do lots of firing in the future. He always fires his torpedo every time we play," Billy answered. Little Hatch then said, "I had this funny ticklish feeling, and then my body just went numb. Did that happen to you?" "It happens every time we play the game," Billy answered. "Uncle Eddie says its okay, because I am not grown up yet, so I will feel like that every time we play the game," he continued. "Did you ever play the game by yourself?" "Sometimes." "Do you want to play now," Stephen asked. "Sure, do you?" With that, Stephen reached over to the front of his friends white briefs and felt that the boys penis nub was getting hard. He fingered the boy through his briefs, and reached under the white cotton leg band to massage the boys balls with his thumb. Billy was starting to squirm in bed, as the warm feeling was beginning to spread throughout his body. It didn't take long. Billy was bouncing up and down, and then finally went limp and collapsed on the bed. Stephen kept playing with his cut nub, until Billy moved his body away from the other boys hand. After a few moments to recover, Billy asked, "Let me do yours." Stephen slipped his FTL briefs down to give his friend full access to his dick and balls. Billy's hand was all over it. On the head, down the mini shaft and under the balls. "That feels great, Billy," he said. "Want me to make you feel better?" "How," Stephen asked. "This is something Uncle Eddie taught me to do. You are really going to like this," Billy responded. Billy got up and crossed his body over Stephen's mid section and moved his head over his friends dick. He bent down, and put his mouth over the tip of Stephen's dick and then proceeded down the mini shaft until his head met his friends body. Up and down he went. Stephen could not describe the feeling that was pulsing through his body. It was the best he had felt in his entire young life. Here it comes, that ticklish feeling like I got to pee, but I can't. Oh yeah, this is heaven!!! Stephen was not far from letting out a scream of ecstasy, but he knew that a scream would bring Eddie running, so he muffled it. But the feeling was moving up and down his body, while his friend went up and down on his dick. He couldn't control himself, and he started to shake, and then, and then... As he lay back there, his friend was sitting up in the bed, just looking at him. The secret was out. Uncle Eddie told him not to tell anyone about the games that they played. But he couldn't help himself. He had to get Stephen to swear not to tell anyone. Stephen felt so great that he didn't want to break the feeling and slept that night without his underpants. He nestled his naked body right up against that of his friend. It felt so good that he had wrapped his arm around his friends body and they slept like one. That was the beginning for Little Hatch. He and Billy remained good friends, and spent many nights on sleepovers in each others arms. Uncle Eddie was their babysitter on two other occasions, and they moved on to better games. The Navy submarine era was over, and they had tried other things. Eddie loved to suck them off. Taking both their dick and balls into his mouth at the same time. He also got both boys to suck him off, and the last time they played, he gave them both a taste of his man juice. The boys spit it out the first time, but swallowed some the second time he shot his load into their hungry mouths. Stephen was the first of the two boys to cum. Billy shot his first sperm a few months after that. By that time, both boys were fully into pleasing each other. When they stayed over, both boys got naked as soon as the adult was out of the room. They were the best of friends, and they knew how to please their friends. Chapter Six -- Growing Up. From that first event, Stephen never missed night jerking off. He loved that feeling, and kept playing with his dick every night before he went to sleep. There were many times that he slept with his briefs around his ankles. Fortunately for him, both his parents would not usually enter his room without knocking. His usual "wake up" call was his mother knocking on the door, and opening it just a little to call his name. He was sure that she had never seen him in bed without his underpants on, because if she did she would have told him about it. At age 9, Little Hatch joined the Cub Scouts at Blessed Sacrament RC Church, where he and his mom went to mass every Sunday. Billy's family went to the same church, and there were times when they would get together after mass for some family affair, and every time they were together, the boys found a way to at least jerk each other off. It became a ritual. In Cub Scouts, there were a lot of kids his own age, and Stephen was a pretty popular member of the Pack. There were lots of opportunities to sleep over, both in his house and that of his fellow Cub Scouts. Over the course of the 2 years that he was in the Pack, he had the opportunity to see each of his friends in their briefs, and play with their usually cut penis nubs. His was still the biggest, and his friends were always jealous of it's size. By the time he joined the Boy Scouts, he had just started to shoot watery cum from his dick. That first weekend campout, when he slept in a tent with Billy and one of the older scouts from the troop, he was proud when he finally shot that first load into the mouth of the 14 year old who was "teaching" him how to give a good blow job. Both boys were surprised by the ejaculation. Stephen had never cum before, and the older boy was giving him a hard time about not being able to shoot, when the first squirt of cum was gushing from the tip of his dick. The older boy spit the juice out, and punched Stephen in the arm for not telling him that he was about to cum. Of course, Stephen didn't know that he was about to cum. The old boy then made both of the new scouts suck him off as a punishment. The other thing that had the older boy upset was that Stephen's dick was bigger than his own. He almost didn't believe that Stephen was only 11. The older boy did have a few strands of scraggly brown hair around the base of his cock, but Stephen had him in size, but soft and hard. Another thing that Little Hatch had noticed was that the older boy's dick was a lot different from his. The dick on the older boy had a cover of skin over the tip, and Stephen was a little surprised to find that the skin moved up and down, covered and uncovered the tip of the older boys penis. He later found out that the boy was not circumcised, and that all boys were born with the skin, which was removed (in most cases) shortly after birth. This circumcision thing became a matter of curiosity for Stephen, and he did some research on it in the Library at school -- without people know, of course. He didn't want anyone to know that he was curious about other boys dicks. All three boys had a good time in that tent that weekend. Everyone got jerked and sucked. Brian, the older boy, and Stephen both got to shoot their cum on Friday and Saturday nights, and Billy got to experience that dry climax feeling several times, so he was satisfied. It was also that weekend, that Stephen started his brief collection. When he had a moment alone in the tent, he took a pair of Brian's colored BVD briefs (red ones), and also a pair of Billy's FTL white briefs and stuck them in his pack. Stephen didn't know why he wanted the boy's underpants, but stealing them just gave him a thrill. Billy and Stephen were tent buddies on most of the camping trips, so there was always an opportunity for a quick jerk off session on every trip. It wasn't difficult to get the other guys who were assigned to their tent to join in. Some were pretty well experienced in the secret boy scout activity. It was never difficult for the leaders to get the boys to get into their tents at night, the boys were almost too eager to get to bed. The leaders always did a bed check, and the scouts were usually in the middle of getting their sleeping bags open so they could climb in. As soon as the leader closed the tent flap and moved on down to the next tent, well it was only seconds before the boys were out of their uniforms, down to their briefs and ready to play. One night a new scout was assigned to Stephen and Billy's tent. When they stripped down the youngster was wearing Batman underoos, gray and blue t shirt and briefs. The boys were relentless in the abuse they heaped on the rookie. Needless to say, the young boy never wore underoos again. As part of his punishment, the boy had to suck both Stephen and Billy before they agreed not to let the other troop members know about his choice in underwear. As time progressed, Stephen was picked as a Patrol Leader and had to attend the Troop's Leadership Training Weekend, along with all of the other young leaders of the Troop. This was a major turning point for Stephen. It was on this weekend that he was "initiated" into the ultimate pleasure for his sexual partners. The Senior Patrol Leader, a 16 year old scout, introduced Little Hatch to the pleasure of anal sex. The weekend was held on the second weekend in September, and the weather was more summery than expected. The Troop Leaders allowed the youngsters to go swimming in the creek that ran behind the property belonging to the scoutmaster. Since no one had expected it to be so warm, bathing suits were not part of the gear that they brought along. The creek is secluded, so the leaders told them that they could swim in their scout shorts or their underpants. The older scouts set the tone, as they all dropped their shorts and headed for the creek in their briefs. The new young leaders followed suit, and within minutes, they were all enjoying the cool water in wet white cotton. This was a sight to behold. Soaked white cotton was clinging to their bodies, and revealed all of the secrets of the size and shape of hot young cocks. Stephen was in his glory, by looking around he could clearly see the outlines of each and every member of the Troops Leadership Council. Peter was the Senior Patrol Leader, and it wasn't difficult to see that his dick was short and fat. Stephen also saw that their appeared to be a huge black bush surrounding the base of his cock. The adult leader also seemed to be enjoying the sight of the 15 boys as they frolicked in the creek. The leader couldn't wait until the boys got out of the water, dropped their briefs and sun dried off on the bank of the creek. The thought of that started a little tingle in his own stuffed briefs. Eventually, the boys did get out of the creek, and the older scouts again set the tone. The moved over to the bank of the creek, spread their towels and slipped out of the wet white cotton. The younger leaders looked at each other, and then followed suit. There they were, 15 naked boys laying on the bank. Stephen made sure that he got a good look at them all. There were big ones, small ones, fat ones, skinny ones. The older ones, of course had substantial growths of hair around their cock and balls. The younger ones had a scraggle here or there. In comparison, Stephen was pretty well hung. His had grown to 5 inches, and he was still only 13. All were cut. Peter seemed to be very proud of his cock, it was by far, the fattest of all of them, but not the longest. The adult leader also enjoyed the sights of the naked boys, and had to hide his obvious hard on, although several of the boys had spotted the tenting in front of his scout shorts. That night, Peter arranged for Stephen to sleep in the bunk house with the older scouts. Right after bed check, the older boys began to strip for bed, and all were down to their white briefs in minutes. As the bunk house lights were doused, you could see the outline of everyone's briefs that were clearly visible in the minimal light. But the boys did not climb into their sleeping bags. They surrounded Stephen and told him that it was time for initiation into the Leadership Council. Being the only one of the younger leaders in the bunk house, he was a little worried about what might take place. The boys got closer to Little Hatch and told him to remove his underpants. That was no big deal to him, he was proud of the size of his dick. Two of the boys grabbed his arms and moved him over to the bunk in the middle of the room and laid him down on his stomach. He felt something cold on his butt, and then there were hands rubbing some sort of liquid on the cheeks of his ass, and then in between the cheeks and down into the slit for his poop shoot. They were pretty rough, as some fingers were beginning to penetrate his pucker. First one finger, then two and now three. When they were finished lubing his butt, he heard Peter ask if the "candidate for initiation was ready?" The group answered for him, and Peter now approached the fully prone boy and climbed onto the bunk, with his knees on each side of the boys body. Peter reached down and worked his hand in and out of the Stephen's lathered boy cunt. "Are you ready for initiation," he asked "I'm ready," he answered. Peter bent over and moved his crotch over the young boys cheeks. As he got closer to him, Stephen could see the others draw closer for a good look at the initiation that was about to commence. Peter's hands were pushing the cheeks apart, and the prone boy felt the tip of the fat prick move towards it's ultimate target. The tip was now at the pucker, and with just a little push, it entered into him. He felt his pucker stretch as it opened to receive the bareback dick. He felt it enter him, and the initial pain as it eased its way inside the boy. There was pain, but not an excruciating pain. Peter eased himself in a little more, and the pain increased a bit, but the well greased butt hole seemed eager to swallow the 7 inches Peter had to offer. Peter moved himself into the crevice a little more, and the young boy let out a little whimper. The group told him to be quiet, or they would put a gag on him. Half way into the tunnel, and Peter was ready to make a full thrust. He eased himself back a little, and then just rammed the rest of his dick all the way to the bottom of the expanding asshole. Once again, Stephen let our a gasp as he felt the older boys balls now hanging against his butt cheeks. The older boy was fully entered into him. He pulled back, and thrust forward, slowly at first, but then began to quicken the pace of his movement. The pain began to fade, and Stephen was beginning to enjoy the activity. In fact his own hard dick was now rubbing against the mattress on the bed, and he could feel some wonderful sensations pulsing through his body. It wasn't long before his own dick was in the state of full erection and as the older boy got into a good rhythm, he was trying to add to the boys pleasure by moving his body in total unison. He could feel himself building up a good squirt, and he couldn't control the size of the load that jetted from his dickhead on to the sheets of the bunk. His own spasms, caused his butt muscle to contract and to squeeze the older boy's dick as he too reached a fantastic orgasm inside the younger boys tunnel of love. Stephen could feel the warm fluid as it shot from the older boys fat dick. It was, by far, the most thrilling experience of his young life. He had been fucked for the first time. By the time the night was over, each of the older scouts had reached their climax. Some squirted on the young boy's body, others shot on the floor, but they all got off on the hot scene they had just experienced. Little Hatch was then given the opportunity to select one of the other boys in the cabin so he could get even. Of course, he chose Peter. It didn't take long, Stephen shot a load of hot cum up into Peter after just a few thrust into Peter's butt. Now, Little Hatch at age 13 was fully indoctrinated into the world of boy to boy sex. Future Troop weekends were the greatest. He took part in all of the sexual activities, And loved every minute of it -o- Sorry for all of the background material, but I felt it was necessary for all of you to understand Little Hatch.. We'll be moving back to the 1996 summer camp in the next installment. If you liked the story, please let me know by writing me at Irish3625@aol.com. Even if you didn't like it, let me know so I can try to get better. I am ALWAYS open to comments from Nifty readers. If you'd like more, let me know. If you have any similar Boy Scout or camping experiences I love to know about them.