Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2014 12:57:46 -0800
From: garystratford@yahoo.com
Subject: Part 4 - Lively Boys

Lively Boys
[Part 4 - Lively Boys - Lucas Sexy Boy In Lots of Ways]

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They are wrong!  The 'THEY' to whom I am referring is society at large or
at least those who tell you and try to convince you that boys are not wired
differently than girls.  Science and anthropology combine to reaffirm that
even after all of the years humans have been on this earth boys are
different from girls in virtually all aspects as a general rule of thumb.
No matter how society tries to engineer them, boys will always be the rough
and tumble, aggressive, playful, and even sexually curious little creatures
I find very attractive to be around.

Boys, yes even those staunchly heterosexual ones, will on average say yes
to a blowjob from another boy or even a man if they know they will not be
publicly embarrassed for receiving it.  A smaller number will even allow
you to touch, caress, lick and even fuck their precious little asses.  A
larger percentage will allow you to touch them to include touching their
penises.  Most crave the physical attention and contact of other males
(boys and more so of men).  Their desire to be accepted as a man is so
ingrained that a few will submit to almost any type of test or ritual in
order to gain that acceptance - even if there is a lot of discomfort and
some pain.

This story segment depicts such interaction.

This story depicts the sexual activity between an adult male and an
underage boy.  If you aren't supposed to be reading this type of story,
then stop.  Otherwise enjoy what you read.

Please let me know what you think (garystratford@yahoo.com).

Gary - older male Lucas - 13 almost 14 year old boy

*****

...I nodded.  "Yes, I understand."

"Uncle Gary, unlike you I ain't gay, just so you know."  He said, smirked
and added quickly, "You do suck dick very well and that is good to know,
never know when I might let you suck it again.  That part really felt
goooood."  He chuckled a bit and slithered off to my side, I spooned up
next to him as he allowed me to drape my arm across his body and he
snuggled back tight against me.

"Works for me."  I said.

I pulled my arm off of him as I reached behind me and turned off the light,
then I hugged him tightly and he moaned in appreciation and held my arm
tightly to his body.  "I love you.  We can chat more later.  I wanna get
some more sleep."  He said and drifted off to sleep.

I breathed in deeply smelling him, his scent on my chest and his scent next
to me wafting from his head and from his body.  I drifted back to sleep.

***** Part 4 - Lively Boys - Lucas Sexy Boy In Lots of Ways

There was some more movement in the bed and Lucas crawled out and I could
hear his footsteps as he wandered into the bathroom.  I could hear him
grunting and hissing a bit as he took care of business.

Even though the early morning light of the new day brightened the room
slightly I turned on the lamp by my bed for additional light.  I tossed
back the covers in order to climb out of bed.  I paused and immediately
brought my hand to my mouth, 'Damn it, I really must of rode him rough.' I
thought as I looked at the stained sheets.  His cum and my cum were on the
sheets, but there was a pinkish tint to everything.

A few minutes later I heard the toilet flush and the water running.  I
knocked on the door and asked, "Lucas, may I come in, please?"

"Yes, please.  I think I need some assistance."  He said in a fairly pained
voice.

I opened the door and saw Lucas' sexy almost 14 year old body, nice coltish
legs which were beginning to tone up, very shapely butt, a slight roll of
baby fat still around his waist and broadening shoulders.  In the mirror I
noticed his innie belly button and slightly puffy nipples then the grimace
on that ever so cute face.

I sidled up next to him at the sink and was able to get a better look at
his legs and such, which to my dread were streaked with pinkish tinted
trails where the cummy mixture must of run out and down.  I looked at his
scrunched up face in the mirror and wrapped an arm around his shoulder.

"Lucas, I know this must sound empty, but I am sorry.  I will help you get
cleaned up and I do have some cream that will help ease the pain and such.
However, I need to get you in the shower and cleaned up so I can best
determine what kind of damage their may be to your ass."  I said and he
nodded an okay and started heading for the shower.

He opened the shower door and turned on the water.  He looked at me, "Well,
are you coming in with me or not?"  He asked.

As I stepped closer he actually leaned in and hugged me.  "Uncle Gary, it
does hurt a bit, nothing I can't bear, but can you make it better?"

I hugged him tightly.  "Oh Lucas, I will do what I can to make you as good
as new.  Although it may be a little painful getting there."

He chuckled.  "What's so funny?"  I asked.

"Well, I looked down the hall.  We seem to have made quite a mess of your
house.  You made a mess of my ass.  All because you wanted a set of keys,
huh?"  He commented and asked.

I nodded, "Seems pretty stupid."  I said.

He turned and stepped into the shower, I followed quickly behind.  "One
thing is for sure though Lucas."  I stated.

"Oh yeah, what's that?"  He asked.

"You have a very sexy ass."  I said.

He punched me in the arm.  "Shut up and help me clean that sexy ass and get
it back to feeling okay."  He said and then added, "Thanks for thinking it
is sexy."

I exited the shower briefly and rummaged in the cabinet under the sink and
pulled out one of my medic kits.  I opened it and rifled through it until I
found some lidocaine jelly and some lidocaine laced soap scrub.  I then
returned to the shower.

Lucas was eyeing me and looking at the new items I had with me.  I held
them up.  "Basically some jelly that will dull the pain and some soap that
has more of the pain dulling medicine in it to allow me to scrub that ass
and get it ready for an examination."  I stated.

Lucas looked me in the eyes.  "You know, showering with you could have been
lots of fun under different circumstances."  He said.

I cocked an eyebrow at him.  "Oh?"  I asked.

He nodded.  "Sure, I said I was not gay.  I didn't say I was not a horny
teen and didn't trust you."

That at least made me feel better.

I broke open the soap sponge packet and got it wet to lather it up.  I
looked at Lucas and asked, "ready for this?  It will sting at first, but
will quickly numb you up."

Lucas turned towards the shower wall and leaned against it, splaying his
legs slightly and arching his back to present his ass to me.  Even though I
was there to clean him up and take good care of his ass I still popped wood
at the sight of such a sexy boy in an position that was extremely erotic.

I started dabbing at his asshole.  As gently as possible I dabbed and
washed his ass.

He winced a few times.  "Oooh, ouch, ummmm, hisssss."  He cringed as he
spoke.  "Starting to numb up though."  He added shortly.

I lathered his ass and thoroughly cleaned the area.  I let the soap stay
there foaming in his ass as I grabbed my body wash and squirted some on a
body sponge and started washing his back.  I sudsed up his back and butt
cheeks and his legs, urging him to lift first one foot and the other in
order to let me scrub them as well.  His feet shook and jerked in my hands,
apparently ticklish.

I pulled the hand held sprayer from its hook on the wall and adjusted the
spray to as gentle of a setting as possible.  I rinsed the suds off of
Lucas' back and started flushing down his crack, as I was rinsing the area
I decided to get as good a look as possible to check for any tears or loose
tissue.  Even in the spray of the water it was obvious his asshole was
definitely bruised, but not torn.

I put the handheld sprayer back on its hook and with a gentle nudge I had
Lucas turn around to face me.  I looked down at him and noticed his rigid
boner which I quickly gripped in the soapy sponge.  "Happy cock?"  I asked.

Lucas blushed, smiled and nodded.  "Hey, like I said, horny teen."

I scrubbed his cock, tugged on it a little while as I washed his balls.  I
then started washing his underarms and chest.  Finally down the front of
his legs and top of his feet.  He seemed to enjoy the touch and my
attention.

I got some shampoo and squirted some on his wet hair and then massaged it
into the hair and scalp.  He seemed to enjoy the sensations and the special
treatment.  "Ummm, feels nice to have someone else wash my hair."  He
stated.

Lucas rinsed his hair as I was washing my hair.  I rinsed my hair and
realized Lucas was standing close to me and as I cleared the water from my
eyes I realized he was staring at my hard cock.  I flexed my kegel muscles
and that caused my cock to jump and wave at him and the head to swell
noticeably.  It must have startled him as it caused him to jerk out of his
little trance.

I chuckled.  "Don't worry Lucas, looking at a man's cock won't make you
gay.  Even if its owner is gay.  It is just fine and normal to be curious
and to look."  I stated.

He chuckled a little.  "Gotcha.  No problem.  I..., um, have never seen a
man's erect cock before."  He stated flatly.

I smiled.  "All of us guys have them you know."  I stated.

Lucas looked at me with that 'what kind of idiot do you think I am?' look.
He nodded slowly, "Yes, we do, but yours is bigger than mine, a bit longer
and oh man a lot thicker."  He exclaimed and then blushed.

I smiled and chuckled.  "No harm looking and thanks for the compliments.
There are many different sized cocks out there and mine is not that much
larger than yours.  Besides you are still growing."  I stated.

"Yeah, Uncle Gary, but yours is like twice or maybe three times as big
around as mine.  No wonder it um hurt so much."  He said.

I sighed.  "Lucas, I really did not mean to hurt you and I am truly sorry.
Your discomfort is due primarily to the fact I was not very careful and was
very aggressive about getting my cock buried inside your tight virgin ass.
Yes, my size made it more painful, but with proper, gentle and loving care
even a virgin like you can take a cock like mine or one larger with a lot
less pain and discomfort."  I tried to counter.

He smirked, "You mean, no longer virgin ass."  He snickered.

It was my turn to blush a little.  "Yes, no longer virgin."  I said.

I grabbed his still erect teen boy cock with one soapy hand and grabbed my
cock with the other hand and squeezed them both.  Lucas' eyes went wide and
he inhaled a small gasp through the oval into which his lips had formed.
He did not pull away as I continued to squeeze and stroke.  He licked his
lips.

I let go of his cock and smiled at him.  "Don't worry, touching another
guys cock and enjoying another guy's touch on your cock will not make you
gay.  It is natural to want to look, to touch and wonder about another guy.
Oh and you are partially correct."  I stated.

He cocked his head slightly, "Huh?  Partially correct about what?"  he
asked.

I laughed.  "Not quite three times, but easily twice as big around, thicker
than yours."  I said and continued.  "Don't let that bother you because you
are still growing and from what I see and have felt you are off to a good
start."

Lucas beamed and blushed.  He actually leaned in and hugged me, mashing his
hard soapy cock against my thigh.  "Love ya Uncle Gary, thanks."

He pulled away from me and took the soapy body sponge and after urging me
to face the wall, began to wash my back.  He scrubbed my back and down onto
my muscular butt (hey, I liked how it looked and the Army knows how to keep
you in shape) and then after tentatively pausing he actually spread my
cheeks apart and spent some time as he washed my ass to probe around and
such.  He lathered me up real good back there and once or twice curiously
probed my hole with a finger tip.  Each time he did that I would clench it
up to grip the tip of the finger which caused him to giggle.

He finished washing my legs and feet and on the way back up my legs
commented, "Gee Uncle Gary, you have hairy legs and a hairy ass too."

I laughed.  "That I do.  You will too one day.  Some guys really like it,
some don't like being hairy.  It is just how I am made, but I am not as
hairy as some guys I have known."

He had me turn around and he started to wash my chest, my pits, arms and
belly.  As he got closer to my cock his motions slowed and became more
deliberate.  He finally lathered my cock with the soapy sponge and then
gripped it firmly with one hand.  "MMMMM, nice."  I said.

He immediately let go of my cock and leaned up against me, his face mashed
into my lower chest, his forehead rubbing my left nipple.  He sighed.  I
reached down and stroked his back.  "What's wrong Lucas?"  I asked.

"Nothing."  He continued to rub his forehead onto my chest.  He then
actually kissed me on the body where his mouth was.  "I am not gay, you
know.  However, I really want to, um, um, play with and touch your cock."

I hugged him tightly and slid down to my knees so that he was now looking
down at me.  I held him by the shoulders and looked into his eyes.  "Oh
Lucas, please don't think you have to be gay to enjoy that or to have those
desires.  Most guys, at least fifty percent would like to touch another
guy's cock especially their friend or other family member.  The other fifty
percent are lying and in denial."  I said.

He laughed.  "Okay."  He said.

I gripped his head in my hands and gave him permission.  "If you want to
touch my cock you are welcome to do so.  Don't think that you have to and
if you want to stop then stop.  If you would like we could dry off and go
back to my bed where you can be comfortable and you can decide what you
want to do, it's up to you."

He looked at me and nodded as he smiled.  "Sounds like fun.  Only, this is
between us, right?  No one else needs to know."

I nodded.  "What happens at Uncle Gary's stays at Uncle Gary's."

We finished rinsing off.  We climbed out of the shower and we dried off, I
exited quicker than Lucas.  I headed back into the bedroom after pulling
some fresh sheets from the linen cupboard.  I pulled off the soiled linens
and put on a fresh bottom sheet.  The rest of the bed making could wait.  I
came back into the bathroom as Lucas was finishing drying off and I
finished myself.

We both went back into my bedroom and Lucas stood next to my bed with the
new sheet in place.  He looked at the pile of dirty sheets.  Then he looked
back at me.  "Hmm, umm, that bad huh?"  He asked as he reached around and
gently dabbed at his butt hole.

"I just thought it would be better to have a clean sheet on the bed after
the shower and all."  I stated.

He turned around and looked at me, "Nothing goes in my ass this morning,
okay?"  He pressed.

I shook my head.  "I will never put anything in your ass unless you tell me
I can."  I said.

He nodded and then climbed up on the bed.  I joined him and lay down on my
back, my now deflated cock lolled and flopped back and forth slowly as I
settled in and he stared at my cock and balls.  He looked at me and cocked
his eyebrows, "What should I do?"  He asked.

I shrugged.  "Whatever you want to do."

He slowly licked his lips and started leaning towards me, a tentative hand
landed softly on my thigh.  My cock lurched and began to stiffen.  As if on
cue it rolled over my testicles to point in his direction as it stiffened.
It was as if my cock was urging him to grab hold.  He did just that and as
he gripped my now semi-erect cock it sent shivers up my spine.

"MMMMM, nice."  I said.

Lucas started stroking up and down using what loose skin there was to jerk
me off.  Being cut there isn't a lot, but hey the skin moves around the
cock well enough.  He leaned his face closer until I could feel his hot
moist breath.  His stroking had produced some results as my piss slit
filled up with some pre-cum.  Lucas used his finger tip to capture some.
He rubbed it between his finger and thumb and looked at it intensely.

I said "it is called pre-cum.  It kind of gets things slippery.  Some guys
make enough when they are excited they don't even need any lube to fuck a
girl or even another guy."

He nodded, mesmerized by the feel.  "When will I make some of this?"  He
asked.

"I don't know, it happens to each of us guys in different ways and at
different times.  I was about twelve when I started producing it, but I had
to be really horny.  Not too long after was when I had my first wet cum.
Some guys never produce any or they produce very little."  I stated.

He frowned.  "Geez, Uncle Gary, I am thirteen and I don't produce this
stuff and as you know I don't shoot much cum.  Is there something wrong
with me?"

I shook my head.  "No, nothing is wrong with you.  You are where you need
to be to be you.  I know it is not fantastic news, but you have a very nice
cock and it appears very functional to me.  You can never compare yourself
to other guys, we are all different and go through the stages at different
ages.  I thought I was really getting quite a lot in the cock department,
but I stopped growing at 15.  What you have a hold of in your hands is how
big I have been since 15 and basically since I was your age, it only
thickened a bit between 13 and 15.  I have known lots of guys, straight and
gay, who have way, way bigger cocks than me.  A lot of guys who have
smaller ones, ones that are not even as big as you."  I stated.

He continued to stroke my cock.  "Okay, just seeing yours makes me want
mine to be bigger."

I put a hand on his shoulder.  "Oh, Lucas, be careful what you wish for.  I
have a very good buddy, his name is Brad.  I have known him for several
years and he is very well hung.  Not overly long, mind you, but extremely
big around.  Really too big for most people."  I grabbed the wrist of his
free hand and held it next to my wrist.  Then continued, "You see how much
bigger my wrist and especially my forearm is than yours?"

He nodded.

"Well Brad's cock is bigger than my arm here." I said as I traced with my
finger to the area I was having him look at somewhere midway between the
narrowest part of my wrist and the thickest part of my forearm.  "Now that
is a damn big, way too big cock."  I said.

Lucas chuckled.  "He must be a hit with the ladies."  Lucas stated.

I shook my head.  "No, on the contrary.  I get way more sex than he does.
Most ladies and guys for that matter avoid it.  In fact Brad has had to
endure many frustrations, someone coming on to him, getting him all excited
and planning on having sex only to go chicken on him when that big cock of
his gets hard."

"I think I understand.  Although I still can't wait to get bigger and cum
more."  he said and returned to stroking my cock.

Lucas steadily stroked my cock for about 10 minutes and he played with my
balls as well, hefting them and bouncing them a little as if weighing them
in his hands.  My cock drooled more and he wisely began using the pre-cum
to lube up the head and top part of the shaft so his hand slid easier on my
cock.  At one point he traded hands and as he stroked my cock he slowed
down somewhat and that focused my attention on his next action.

As he knelt there pumping my cock, slower now, his other pre-cum coated
hand he brought closer to his face.  He sniffed the pre-cum and looked
closer at it then all of a sudden he licked it.  He shrugged, apparently it
did not taste too bad.

He resumed his pumping and leaned closer to my cock.  Closer until his lips
were about an inch away from the head.  He stared at it and I nearly lost
it completely when his pink tongue slithered out and touched the head.  He
continued to stroke my cock as he pressed and flattened his tongue against
the side of the head of my cock.  As if it were an ice cream cone, he
slowly swiped the head.  Once, twice and I could not hold back, the
sensations coupled with the sight of this gorgeous boy pumping and licking
my cock was too much for me.

I gurgle and grunted.  "Oh shitttt, Lucas I am CUMMMMINNNNG!"  I yelled and
thrust my hips into his clenched hand as my orgasm rocked my body.  Lucas
had backed off of my cock and was looking at me when the first jet erupted.
Due to the angle at which he held my cock that first jet sprayed up over my
head onto the head board with some splatter on my face.

Lucas was entranced by my erupting cock.  Jets 2, 3 and 4 landed at an
angle across my should and onto my chest with the remnants of the 4th jet
catching his thigh.  The remaining cum oozed out of my cock and coated his
hand.

Lucas looked at me and exclaimed, "Damn, that was awesome.  You cum a lot."

He then lifted his extra gooey hand and again brought it to his nose and
sniffed it.  "Kinda smells like bleach."  He said as he wrinkled his nose.
I was still trying to catch my breath and nodded, but barely perceptible.

He stared at his gooey hand a moment longer and again, that tongue came out
and sampled my cum.  It retreated into his mouth and he scrunched up his
face.  "Ehh, doesn't taste like bleach, but not bad I guess."

"It's an acquired taste."  I panted out and reached to grab his cum cover
hand.

I pulled his hand to my mouth and licked it clean and sucked on his fingers
as he spread them wide.  He raised his eyebrows.  "Wicked.!"  Was his
comment.

He crawled up closer to my head and leaned in really close to me, his face
just inches from my face.  I turned slightly such that our lips were
closer.  Lucas closed the gap, closed his eyes and actually kissed me on
the lips.  Not a peck, but an actual kiss.

He just as quickly pulled back and asked "Would you suck my cock?" and
added "Please."

"Gladly."  I said as I licked my lips.

He smiled and lay back on the bed and I sat up, then scooped up the
remnants of my cum from my chest and licked my hand clean as Lucas watched
me intently.  I smiled at him as I audibly slurped my cum from my hand.

"Nasty pervert."  He said and laughed somewhat saucily.

I nodded.  "A nasty pervert that loves you and enjoys doing this stuff with
you."  I responded.

He giggled and put his hands behind his head as I took up position between
his legs.  I lay flat on the bed between his splayed legs, my arms draped
over his thighs.  I began to nuzzle those two acorn like nuggets in his
scrotum.  The fine downy hairs tickling my tongue and nose.  I also noticed
a smattering of longish blond colored pubes at the base of this rigid boy
cock.

As I sucked on his testicles and licked his inner thighs and his scrotum I
reached over with my right hand and gripped his turgid stalk.  He enjoyed
the sensations.

He bit his lower lip and then licked his lips.  "Ohhh, yesss, goooood."  He
chanted.

I nuzzled more on his scrotum, sucking both orbs into my mouth and twirling
them around driving him wild.  He was holding his head between his hands
and "umming" and "ahhing" as I tried to drive him crazy.  I stroked that
cute cut cock that swelled to its fullest state and then some, it jerked
and pulsed in my hand indicating he was extremely excited.

I slithered up a bit and dropped his testicles from my mouth.  I raised up
and pulled his cock up away from his belly and swallowed it to its base,
sucking the head into the back of my throat.

Lucas was really enjoying it.  "OHHHHH, MYYYYYYY. FEELS SOOOOOOO GOOOOOOD!"
He said.

I started sucking his turgid boy meat firmly and with purpose.  I suctioned
on the way up as I let his cock slide out of my mouth and sucked it back in
as I planted my nose into his lower abdomen.  With his cock sucked
completely into my mouth, I used my tongue to milk the shaft, flattening my
tongue against the bottom side of his cock massaging that urethral tube
under the skin.  I treated his cock as if it were a straw and I was
attempting to suck his nuts up through it into my mouth.

I also encircled the base of his cock with my thumb and forefinger, pushing
the palm of my hand firmly against his pubic mound which firmly thickened
his cock to the extreme state possible.  I massaged the base of his cock
and started to bob my head on his cock, up and down, suctioning as I went.
I did this for a few minutes and he was absolutely enjoying himself.  He
reached down with his hands and caressed my head, running his fingers
through my hair and starting to buck his hips.

"Oh, suck it, suck my cock, yesssssss."  He said.

I knew he was not going to last much longer.  I pulled up on his cock,
allowing most of the shaft to slip from my mouth, but kept a suctioned lock
on the head.  I gripped the base of his cock in my clenched fist and jerked
it slowly as I swirled my tongue around the head of his cock.  I licked
around the coronal ridge and into his piss slit.

"Never knew it could feel this good.  Oh shit, gonnna cummm soon."  He
chanted and started to buck his hips more forcefully.

I swallowed his cock again and picked up the sucking and up and down
bobbing motion to enhance his pleasure.  I reached up to his hands and
guided them until they were stacked on top of each other and pressing
firmly on the back of my head and he bucked harder.

I fondled his balls with my hand and sucked his cock.  His testicles pulled
up again, cinched up so close to his body as if he were a eunuch.  His cock
swelled to ever larger proportions and he gurgled and yelped announcing his
orgasm.

"Unnnnccllle Garrrrrrry, I AMMMMM CUMMMMMMMINGGG, ARRAGGGGHH!"  He screamed
and his body went stiff.

I pulled back to keep just the head inside my mouth.  His cock belched
forth one large spurt of cum and two or three little blobs and spasmed in
my mouth.  Lucas pressed my head into his groin, his spasming cock head
fully ensconced in my mouth as his orgasm rolled through his body.

The little mouthful, delicious and tingly on the tongue I tried to keep as
long as possible.  I let his spasming cock fall from mouth as I cupped my
tongue to pool the spit and cum mixture inside my mouth.  I waited until
Lucas opened his eyes and looked at me before swallowing.  Once he saw me I
made as overt a swallow as possible to let him know it was his cum I was
drinking and savoring.  I slowly licked my lips and winked at him.

"Lucas your cum is so tasty."  I declared.

He was very flushed.  "Nasty man."  He admonished.

I smiled.  "Yes I am.  Just so you know, there was more than double the
amount of the first time."

He looked at me through wide amazed eyes.  "Are you serious?"  He asked.

I nodded and slurped my tongue around my lips again.  "More and very
delicious."

He lay back and groaned in satisfaction.

I laid on my back next to him satisfied with my efforts.  Lucas rolled over
and crawled up onto my chest, his knees to either side of my body.  He
looked at me from that same position he used to kind of admonish me
earlier.

This time he leaned down and kissed me full on the lips.  I kissed him back
and felt his tongue swipe into my mouth and across my tongue.  He swiped
along my tongue for several seconds.  Then he pulled back and sat up, his
butt on my lower abdomen.

He smiled at me.  He was mashing his tongue around in his mouth for a few
seconds.  "Hmm, I taste a bit different than you for sure.  There was more
right?  It felt like more came out."  He said.

I nodded.

He cocked his head.  "Uncle Gary, I am starving, can we get something to
eat?"

I laughed.  "Sure thing.  Just let me up and I will go fix some breakfast.
Eggs and toast to start?"  I asked.

He rubbed his belly, "That should get things started."

***** End Part 4 - Lively Boys - Lucas Sexy Boy In Lots of Ways

Wow, Lucas is very into the activity.  He enjoyed the showering together
and has appeared to forgiven me.  I am so glad I kept his trust.

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