Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 05:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: rimpigfl Subject: MY DAUGHTER'S EX BOYFRIEND 5 Disclaimer: Usual stuff. This is fiction. Didn't happen to my knowledge. Some of the parts I hope never does. This story is dedicated to several people: My friend Bob in Illinois who's constant love and support over the last few years has seen me through some very rough times. Thank you, Bob, for always being there. My friend Geoff in England who's love and concern saw me through some of the very rough patches I went through writing this. My friend Joshua, wherever you are. I promise, Joshua, that I will never forget. And last, but NEVER least - to all Gay and Bi-Sexual members of the United States Marine Corps who continue to serve with bravery and distinction despite the persecution that they risk. To me, they are the true Heros. MY DAUGHTER'S EX BOYFRIEND Part 5 By RimPig (c) 2002 Since we didn't have to be at Troy's house to meet his mother until 8, we had all the time in the world to explore each other's bodies again. We started out by slowly undressing each other, letting hands and lips explore each section of exposed flesh until we were both naked and hard. Then we lay down on the bed and continued our exploration laying side by side. We kissed frequently, but gently. There didn't seem to be the urgency in our love-making that there had been last night or this morning. Maybe it was knowing that we were going to have three weeks together that allowed us to slow down some. "Are you going to be able to stand me for three weeks?" Troy asked. "I think the better question is, can I live through three weeks of you! My cock may fall off before it's over!" I said. "Then I'll take it home as a souvenir!" he laughed. "How about you? Are you going to be able to take three weeks of me?" I asked. "I'm already starting to dread going home!" he said. There was silence between us as I took him in my arms and kissed him deeply. His mouth opened up to me and I moved my body until he was on his back and I was on top of him. God! I loved the feeling of his young, hard body beneath mine! The heat of his skin, the scent of him - they drove me wild! And the feeling of his hot, hard cock rubbing against mine kept us both leaking cock- snot to the point that we were both drenched with it. I moved down is body and sucked gently at his tiny nipples. They went erect the moment my tongue touched them. Troy moaned at the feelings I was causing as I nibbled the erect nubs. I moved up and over so that I could put my nose into his fragrant pits and smell the sweaty, masculine scent there. As I took deep breaths of his scent, he turned his head and licked at my ear. I loved the feeling of his tongue in my ear and I knew already that putting mine in his caused him to writhe across the bed! I moved on to his other pit and inhaled the scent there as well. I then began to move down his body again. As I did so, he spread his legs and wrapped them around my hips. I knew he was signaling me that he wanted to be fucked first. I continued further down until I could lift his legs and put my mouth to his beautiful ass. I breathed deep of the scent of his ass trench. That raw, deeply masculine scent drove me crazy! I loved it, and I loved his ass. I opened my mouth and began taking deep swipes in his ass trench with my tongue as he moaned and thrashed on the bed. I don't know which one of us enjoyed this more. Me, eating his butt or him, having his butt eaten! My tongue began to tease and lick at his hole and it easily opened to me. Troy was really learning to relax for this. My tongue slid in easily as far as it could go inside him. This was always an incredible thrill for me - to know that I was tasting deep inside my lover's body. It was obviously a thrill for Troy as well from the moans and whimpers I was hearing above me. I continued to eat out his ass and to lave my tongue up and down his ass trench and over his balls as well. I wanted to get him really worked up so that he would cum easily when I fucked him. Since I knew that I would take much longer to cum, I wanted to get him off so that I could cum while he fucked me. I should have realized that 17 year old's don't take much to get worked up because before I knew it, I could hear him begging for my cock. "Please! Mike! Fuck me! Fuck, man! You're drivin' me nuts! Stop eating it and fuck my ass!!!" he moaned. I grabbed the lube off the bedside table and lubed him up. I started out with two fingers and he just opened right up for them. Moving to three took no time at all and before I knew it, I had his legs thrown over my arms and my cock pushing at his rapidly opening asshole. I pushed inside and slid all the way to the bottom of his butt, not stopping until my pubic hair was crushed against his hole. Fuck! The heat of his hole felt like it was scalding my cock! And the tight wetness almost caused me to lose it right there and then. I looked into Troy's eyes and saw the lust and passion there that he was feeling. I knew that this was not to be romantic. This was a man-fuck! This would be raw sex. I pulled my cock almost all the way out of his ass and then slammed it back in to the hilt! I heard Troy grunt when I bottomed out. No sooner than I did and I was withdrawing for another assault on his dark tunnel. I rapidly worked up to my ramming speed and slammed my cock again and again into his young hole. Troy moaned and carried on while his cock leaked all over his abs in preparation for his climax. I maneuvered my cock within his hole so that I was banging straight into his prostate each time I pounded my cock into his hole. Troy couldn't take much of that at all! Before I knew it, I could feel his ass muscles clenching around my cock and watched as a geyser of cum shot out of his cock all over his face, chest and stomach. All Troy had been able to do was moan during the whole fuck. I held still with my cock still buried in his ass while he recovered from his ordeal. "Holy Fuck!" he exclaimed. "What the fuck was that?!?!" "That" I smirked. "Was a fuck! A true, no-holds-bar butt fuck!" "Shit! That was something! I thought your fuckin' cock was gonna come out of my throat you were in so deep!" he grinned. "I considered it, but need you in one piece so that you could return the favor. You ready to fuck me now?" I asked, smirking the whole time. I could see his cock was far from ready. In fact, it was one of the few times I remember actually seeing it soft. I just couldn't resist yanking his chain. "I'll fuck you! You bet I'll fuck you! You want it on your back or on your stomach?!" he brayed. "Stomach." I said and shifted my hips to yank my still hard cock out of his hole all at once. "Oooff!" he cried, as my cock popped out of his butt. I lay down beside him on the bed and he got down between my legs and buried his face in my butt. I could hear him breathing deeply of my ass scent and moaning his pleasure at it. After a while, I felt his tongue begin to lave up and down my ass crack. I decided I would make things more accessible for him and rose to my knees, doggy style, which put everything in view for him. His mouth followed right along only now he was also going down and licking the back of my hanging nutsack as well as just my ass. I could feel him using his hands to pry apart my ass cheeks as far as they would go so that he could gain more access to my hole. He ate my ass like a starving man. Finally, I couldn't take any more 'preparation', so I reached back and handed him the bottle of lube. He got the message and quickly dumped a glob of it in my hole and began to open me up with his fingers. He started with two as well, which I was well able to take and soon was able to add a third. "You want me to fuck you like this?" he asked. "Yeah! Let's try this. This was always Randy's favorite position to fuck me. That way he could reach underneath me and jack me off at the same time." I told him. "Sounds hot!" he said as I could feel his cockhead poised against my sphincter. With a snap of his hips, I felt his cock ram into my anal passage until he was buried completely in my ass. I grunted, not so much in pain as in surprise. Troy leaned over across my back and slowly hunched his cock in and out of my butt while he reached under me. But rather than grabbing my cock at first, he grabbed hold of my tits, pulling on them as he fucked me. It was exquisite torture and I loved every second of it! I didn't need to tell him to fuck me hard. He was pounding my ass almost from the first. Troy was evidently hell bent on fucking me as hard as I had fucked him. What I didn't know was if he knew how much I loved what he was doing to my body or not. It really didn't matter, however, because I could tell he was loving every second of what he was feeling. His cock was getting harder and thicker in my ass and I knew he was not going to be able to hold on to this pace for very long. I felt him reach down and grab hold of my cock. His hand was still slick from greasing my hole and his cock, so his hand felt really good! He jacked my cock at the same rhythm with which he was pile driving my butt. "Yeah! Fuck me! Pound my fuckin' hole! Ram your fuckin' cock in me! Shoot your fuckin' load deep in my butt!" I growled. Evidently, this was all the impetus he needed because his cock immediately swelled and I could feel it twitch as it delivered volley after volley of young cum deep in my hole. This, along with his hand sliding up and down my cock, triggered my orgasm and I shot my load onto the sheets below me. Troy collapsed on my back, breathing hard. I slowly lowered the two of us until I was laying flat out on the bed and he was laying on my back, his cock still half-hard and buried in my ass. I could feel my own wet cum on the bed underneath me but I didn't give a fuck. That was one of the most physically satisfying fucks I'd ever had in my life. It suddenly hit me that it would probably be a good thing not to keep that information to myself like my male inclinations dictated. I figured Troy could use that information to help him get over any residual feelings of 'not being good enough' for me. "That was just about the best fuck I've ever had in my life." I murmured to him. I felt his body tremble at my words and his cock jumped in my ass. "You aren't just saying that, are you?" he asked quietly. "Fuck no! You are really one great fucker! You didn't know that?" I asked. "How could I? I never fucked anyone before you!" he said. "Oh, yeah. Sorry! I forgot that. It's just your so fucking good at it, I keep forgetting you've never done any of this shit before. Must be natural talent." I said. "You really liked it?" he asked again. "No, I really LOVED it! Just the way I really love you." I said. I felt his lips at my neck and shoulder and his hands slowly stroking my body. I also felt his cock begin to grow in my ass again! "Oh, fuck! I've awakened the monster!" I said in mock-horror. "And you know what price you have to pay when you wake the monster, don't you?" he whispered in my ear. "No, but I can guess." I smiled. He was more gentle this time. He slowly began sliding his cock in and out of my hole. Now, I'd never been able before to take getting fucked after I cum. My ass is too painful and sensitive. But he had shot so much cum up my butt that his cock just seemed to glide in and out of my hole. I found that if I kept my hole relaxed, the feeling was just awesome! It didn't push me towards cumming. It just felt so comfortable. I really loved the feelings he was creating inside of me. I think some of it had to do with the fact that it was Troy. I really loved giving him pleasure. I loved all the sounds he made and the feel of his tensing muscles as he drove towards orgasm. I moaned at the feelings that we were creating in each other. I didn't need to get off, but I was bound and determined to help him get off. I was riding a wave of his pleasure second-hand and loving every minute of it. He was able to hold off cumming longer than usual. Well...longer is a relative term. He was still 17 and didn't have a lot of control. Mostly the control he had was the fact that this would be his third orgasm in about half an hour. But I liked the slower, more comfortable pace of this fuck. Not that him pounding his cock into my ass with all his young strength wasn't exciting as hell. But that wasn't just a fuck. This time, he really made love to my body. I could feel him licking and sucking at the skin on my back, neck and shoulders. I could hear his soft sighs and moans as he moved his cock around inside me. And I joined him in those. "God! You ass is incredible! Nothing has ever felt this good to my cock! I could fuck you all day!" he said. "And with the gentle fuck you're giving me, I could let you fuck me all day." I said. "You are so fucking amazing!" he said. "I'm not doing anything, Troy. It's all you, lover. I'm just laying here, loving every thing you're doing." I sighed. "Is that how you think of me?" he asked quietly, stopping with his cock buried in my ass. "What do you mean?" I asked, wondering what this was all about. "Do you think of me as your lover?" he asked. "Of course I do! You're the man I love who loves me. What else would you be?" I asked. "It's just you've never said it before." he whispered. "Then I'm sorry. I should have. Yes. That is what you are to me. You are my lover." I assured him. "Want me to buy you a ring?" I joked. He laughed at this for a second. And then he got very quiet. "Would you do that?" he asked. "What? Buy you a ring? If that's what you want, of course I will." I said. "I would like something that you gave me that showed that I belonged to you." he said quietly. It was at that moment that I realized that Troy was not just a beautiful, loving guy, but a romantic one as well! I should have guessed that. "Then tomorrow, that's what we'll do. I'll buy you a ring." I said. I must have said the right thing because I felt his cock twitch in my butt when I said it. I wondered yet again what kind of horrible ordeal Troy's real Dad must have gone through to turn him into a man who would beat a loving, gentle boy like this. I would cut off my own arm before I'd ever raise a hand to him. Troy began fucking me again, his movements slow and easy. Again I settled into the comfortable rhythm of his fucking. So comfortable, I almost fell asleep! Now that was a first! But just about that time, he began to speed up and I knew he was about to blow. I began moving my ass and clenching and unclenching my ass muscles to make the fuck even hotter for him. He moaned at each thing I did and continued to speed up until, at last, I felt his body go rigid and his cock begin pumping yet another load up my ass. I heard strangled little cries come from him until finally, he shouted. "Oh! FFFUUUCCCKKK!!!" He then collapsed on my back again. And there we lay. After a little while we both drifted off to sleep. Me with him on my back still and his cock still buried in my ass. We slept for a while, probably only a few minutes. When I woke, he was gently pulling his still half-hard cock out of my ass. He moved off my back until he was laying next to me. I rolled over facing him and took him in my arms and kissed him. "Mmm! You smell so good!" I said, his scent rising between us. "You smell like male and sex and Troy! My three favorite scents!" "Yeah! I love the smell of you right now, too!" he smiled. "Then we'd better head downstairs and take a shower." I said. "Why?" he asked, confused by my suggestion. "If we are at the point of really loving the scent of each other - then I'm sure anyone, including you mom, will be able to smell us as well and not have to guess at what we've been up to!" I laughed. He grinned sheepishly. "Shit! I never would have thought of that!" "That's ok. Your too young to have a mind as devious as mine!" I laughed. He pulled me towards him and kissed me deeply. "You're not devious. I see right through you! You are really this gentle, soft romantic guy who tries to hide it most of the time." he said. "I could say the very same thing about you." I said. "But we weren't talking about me. I was talking about you." he insisted. "Yes, I know. You're right. But you have to understand how I got that way. I haven't told you about Melissa's mother, my ex-wife." I said. "What about her? Melissa said you guys got divorced a long time ago." he said. "Yes, it was ten years ago. For you and Melissa, that's a long time ago. For me, it's almost like yesterday. It was a horrible marriage. I was your age when I got her pregnant with Melissa and, stupidly thinking I was doing the right thing, I married her. Everybody told me I was crazy, that the marriage would never last but I was too fucking hard-headed to listen." I told him. "But you were in love with her!" he said. "The fuck I was! I didn't love her. I was still involved with Randy then! Hell, Randy introduced us. I spent one night with her. I figured I would try having sex with a woman so that I wouldn't want Randy anymore. I wanted to be straight. I couldn't admit that I wasn't. Well, I fucked her! And I fucked up. Not thinking, I didn't use any precaution and she wasn't on the pill. Two months later she was pregnant with Melissa. I didn't love her but I felt very responsible for this baby that we had created. I wanted children! It was always my dream to be a father. I was hoping for a son. But then Melissa was born, and I fell in love with the only female I will ever love." I said. "So what happened?" he asked. "Our sex life was awful. I didn't want her. And she didn't really want me. What she wanted was just about every guy in town. She fucked around on me throughout our whole marriage. I found out later that she even tried to put the make on Randy after we were married! He wouldn't have anything to do with her. I went to work to support her and Melissa but she wouldn't lift a finger! She wouldn't take care of Melissa, she'd just drop her with anybody. I thought she was out with her girlfriends like she told me she was. I finally came home one night and my daughter was sitting in her room while my wife fucked some guy in our bed. She hadn't fucked me for almost a year! I took my daughter and left that night. I filed for divorce the next day. She never even asked for custody of Melissa. She just wanted money to get out of town. My parents gave her $10,000 to leave and we've never heard from her since." I didn't realize it, but tears were pouring down my face. Troy took me in his arms and put my head against his shoulder and stroked my hair. Rack up another time when I needed him to be the strong one! "God! I'm so sorry! I didn't know, Mike! I never would have brought it up if I had. Melissa didn't make a big deal out of it." he said. "Melissa doesn't remember a lot of it and, what she does remember, she doesn't like to talk about." I explained. "But don't feel bad. I needed to tell you that. I needed you to know about my life. You have a right to know if you're going to be in a relationship with me." "I would never, ever do something like that to you, Mike." Troy said quietly. "I guess I'm not the only one who's been hurt in my life." "No. Somewhere along the line we all end up getting hurt by someone we love. All we can do is try very hard not to do it to anybody else." I said. "But I trust you. We've both learned a lot about pain. Maybe we can keep from doing it to each other." "I'll try, Mike. I really will! I don't want to ever hurt you!" he swore. "And I don't want to hurt you, Troy. And if we keep that in mind, we won't." I said. We kissed deeply to seal our promises to each other. "Now, how about that shower, lover?" I asked and got the 'killer' smile. "Can we use the Jacuzzi?" he asked. "Sure! After we shower, though. We don't need this cum and lube in the Jacuzzi." I told him. "That's cool!" he said. "No." I laughed. "That's hot!" And we both laughed as we got out of bed and pulled on some gym shorts for the trip downstairs. We didn't spend as much time in the shower this time. I think I had finally sufficiently drained Troy's balls - at least for the time being. I was sure he'd be ready for more sex by bedtime. Like I should complain! I'd gone for more than 10 years without anything but my hand. I counted my blessings. All two of them. A daughter who loved me more than I had ever imagined, accepting this new relationship with happiness for me. And this beautiful young male who found his way inside my defenses and stole my heart. Afterwards, I turned on the Jacuzzi and Troy and I sank naked into the bubbling hot water. We both groaned at the relaxation that the jets of water offered us. We sat together, our hands clasp under the water and just gazed into each other eyes. I'm glad no one could see us because I'm afraid that we would have not just shocked them, but we might have turned their stomachs at all the mushy romanticism that was coming out of both of us! I guess in some way, I was reliving, just a little, my own teen years. This is what I would have loved to do with Randy. But there was no way we could ever find to really reach each other emotionally. Our 'macho' images were too strong to ever admit the kind of feelings we really had for each other. But Troy was not Randy and I knew it. I loved Troy because of who he is, not because he reminded me of anyone else. At his age, he was certainly miles beyond where Randy and I had been in emotional development. He could tell me that he loved me. He could be vulnerable with me and he could handle me being vulnerable as well. Vulnerability was something that Randy and I had never shown each other. I did have to wonder what would have happened if we ever had? But that was long ago. And I no longer needed to regret what didn't happen then because I had something far better - and he was sitting right next to me, his hand in mine. Of course it was silly to expect us to just sit there holding hands for very long. Before I knew it, Troy was in my arms and we were making out like crazy! I couldn't believe it, but within moments I was hard as a rock! And I could feel Troy's hard cock pressing against me as well. The only difference was that we didn't seem to want to do anything about our cocks. I was just enjoying having Troy in my arms and feeling the sexual stimulation that was flowing through my body. I asked Troy if he wanted to get off again but he just shook his head. "No. I'm just feeling really good and I love the feeling of our cocks just rubbing against each other." he said, smiling. I smiled back. Well! He was capable of delayed gratification after all. I guess he was really much more mature than I was at his age! But, I was so proud of that fact that I leaned down and kissed him very hard and deep. "What was that for?" he asked when we finally came up for breath. "That was for being the most beautiful, loving and wonderful male I think I've ever met!" I said. And then he blushed. He really blushed! It wasn't the Jacuzzi. I actually saw the deep red creep up his chest and cover his face just like a thermometer! It was the most endearing thing I'd ever seen him do and my heart lurched with the feelings that welled up inside me. We spent a little more time, relaxing in the hot water and enjoying the touch of each other. Then we got out and I was just about to dry off when I heard Troy say, "No. Let me do it. Please?". He was standing there with a towel in his hand and started caressing my skin with it. I luxuriated in his touch and found that even this simple act of drying off could be turned into erotic pleasure, at least when Troy was involved. After he dried me off, I took a towel and returned the pleasure to him. Of course, it ended with us wrapped in each other arms and our mouths pressed together in a deep kiss. We finally went upstairs and I fixed us something to eat. Again I was reminded of the need to get a lot more groceries in the house, especially for the next three weeks, as I watched him inhale a great quantity of food. With his lean, muscular body, I wondered where the hell he put it all, but then figured I'd been pretty much like him when I was his age. I could remember my mother complaining constantly about me 'eating her out of house and home'. Troy's appetite for food seemed as constant as his appetite for sex! The wonder of a young male! I had stuck his clothes from last night in the washer and dryer so they'd be ready for him to wear when we went to his house to meet his mother. I went to my bedroom and cleaned out a drawer in my dresser to give him some room. I looked in the closet, but since I wasn't really all that into clothes, there was plenty of space in there for anything he wanted to bring. About that time, Melissa came downstairs and I told her about the arrangements for Troy staying with us for the next three weeks. I asked her if she had any problems with it, and she told me that she didn't but was somewhat concerned about Brian's reaction. She said she would just have to wait and see, but that she felt she could handle things with him. Finally, I went and got dressed. I figured pair of chinos and a polo shirt should do. I guess I wanted to impress Troy's mother that I was 'safe' to leave her son with - even if, according to common thought on the matter, I was anything else but! I remembered a t-shirt I'd seen on a guy during television coverage of the Gay Pride march in New York City that said "I'm The Guy Your Mother Warned You About!". And while I wasn't a child-raper or anything, I did realize that until Troy reached the 'age of consent' in six months, what I was doing was illegal. I was sitting on the bed, half dressed, having these dark thoughts when Troy walked into the room. He stood over me for a minute, assessing me. "What's the matter? Having second thoughts about having me here?" he asked. I reached up and grabbed his waist, pulling him close to me until he was standing between my legs. I wrapped my arms around him and pressed my head against his hard abs. "No! Never! Just thinking about what might happen if your mom finds out what's really going on between us." I said. He reached down and started stroking my hair again. His way of showing me that he was ready to be the stronger one for a while. "Something tells me that she wouldn't be too surprised." he said. "You don't think so?" "No. They say that 'mothers always know', especially with sons. I've noticed that she doesn't take much interest in my dating. I've never heard her talk about me getting married or giving her grandchildren. In fact, I've heard her say just the opposite. She's always talking to me about not rushing into a relationship with any of the girls I date and she constantly is warning me about getting married too young. She keep telling me that I still have a lot of living and learning to do before I find the right person. And that's another funny thing. She never says find the right 'girl' or 'woman'. It's always the right 'person'."he said. "I would say that your mother is a very smart woman. Her advice is very good. She obviously does see you as too young to make a lifetime commitment. How do you feel about that?" I asked, afraid of what I was asking him because it was a lifetime commitment that I wanted from him. "You know the answer to that. I think she's wrong. I knew I loved you almost from the moment I met you and I knew very soon afterwards that I wanted to spend the rest of my life with you. My mom is being hypocritical." he said. "How so?" "She married Dad when she was 17. The same age I am. She knew she loved him and wanted to spend the rest of her life with him. And she would have, except for what happened to him. She still loves him. She won't date. She won't even look at another man and I'll bet that she never does! Were it not for what happened, she and my Dad would still be together. I think she believes now that all relationships end like hers did. I know she's just trying to protect me, but I don't need the protection! If ten years from now, you would become a monster like my Dad, I would leave and it would hurt. But I would still have had the ten good years to remember! She has all the wonderful memories of her and my Dad together. Why shouldn't I have the same thing?" This was really quite a speech for Troy. I could see some of the pain he had gone through but I could also begin to see how much thought and reflection he'd put into dealing with that pain. I pulled him down on the bed next to me and put my arms around him. "I promise to do everything in my power to not become a monster. But if I did, I'd want you to leave. I'd never want to hurt you. I think I'd rather die than hurt you. I understand your mom's point of view to some extent, but I also look back at when I was your age and know that you are much more mature, much more emotionally stable than I was! Everything you've shown me about yourself tells me that you are old enough to make a commitment to someone. I just don't know exactly how to tell you how happy I am that it's me you're making the commitment to." I said, leaning over and kissing him gently on the cheek. "Yes you do." he smiled. "Buy me a ring." "I told you that tomorrow we will go out and buy you a ring. I promise. And, yes, you're right. That is a way to show you how happy I am." I said. "And...that I'm yours." he said, looking into my eyes with deep earnestness. "And that you're mine. Just like I'm yours. Hey! Don't I get a ring, too?" I joked. "I already have your ring. You get it when I get mine." he said. "You're kidding right?" I asked. When would he buy me a ring? Why would he buy me a ring. Better yet, where did he get the money to buy me a ring? "No more questions." he said, putting his finger to my lips. "You'll just have to wait and see." Then he removed his finger and kissed me. I forgot everything as his kiss took me to places that I wanted to go again and again. By the time our lips parted, I could barely remember my own name, much less what we had been talking about. No one had ever kissed me like Troy! His kisses were magic! Intense, erotic, sexual magic that caused the blood to rush through my veins and also caused the most embarrassing tensing of muscles within my body. But I didn't care! I just didn't want him to stop. "Let me get dressed now. We don't want to be late." I said. Troy got up off the bed and went to leave the bedroom when he stopped. "Ok, just remember one thing - you're mine!" he said, turning back from the door "You can't date my mom!" and then he laughed. The End of Part 5 of MY DAUGHTER'S EX BOYFRIEND I hope you enjoyed the story so far. 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