Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 21:50:17 +0000
From: . . <ckid2772@hotmail.com>
Subject: A Response to Memo-To-Writers

The Response:

	After browsing the information section here on Nifty I couldn't help but
notice the piece Memo to Nifty Writers. While reading I couldn't help but
nod my head at some of what our young friend had to say but I also believe
that not everything was 100% accurate for all boys of the teen variety. In
order to give a differing view point I'll try and tell you what my thoughts
are on the subject.
	First, a bit about myself so you know where I'm coming from. I am 21 now
and first began infrequently writing on Nifty perhaps three years ago. I've
been reading the stories off and on since I was 14. My first time doing
anything sexual with a boy was when I was 13 by the time I was 18 I had,
happily, done a whole lot more. I don't pretend this gives me any grand
insight because there are a lot of guys who are sexually active from a young
age and far more experienced than I. Still I think I know a bit about my own
situation and that of my gay friends and acquaintances.

I suppose a list will work just as well as any other format so here it is:

1)	The way kids meet up is often unrealistic in the stories; that's true. As
a young gay teen, and even as an older teen, the worst fear you have is to
be "outed". Whether you are a rough and tumble jock, a queen or anything in
between you have the fear of exposure. This winds up restricting your
options on meeting other kids like yourself. You use hints, playful
wrestling and other subtle hints to try and figure out whether your cute
friends might be like you. If you meet a boy at school the first time the
odds are you will NOT do more than say "Hey, what's your name?" or some
other form of introduction. You certainly won't be taking him to the
bathroom for a quick blowjob. One method that does work well is meeting
people over the net, but most kids under the age of 16 or 17 wouldn't do
that. It's mildly dangerous when you are careful and can be very dangerous
when you aren't.

2)	Sex is not on a teen's mind 24/7. Sex for a young teenager (13 or 14)
usually consists of whacking off together, a blow job if you have a very
daring friend. At that age it's practically meaningless, you orgasm, it
feels great and then it's on to the next thing. By the time you're 16 or 17
it may or may not mean more than that depending on your maturity level. I
imagine it varies from boy to boy what he's comfortable with doing depending
on his age. Even if you're into sex a lot at the time you do other things
with the boys you have sex with. Some lucky boys at that age are into
relationships but it's rather rare. Sex is not the end all be all for most
of the sane teens.

3)	Kids and adults. While I agree, the majority of kids don't want anything
to do with adults, there are exceptions. There were quite a few times from
the time I was 14 on that I had fantasies about some older guys, and not
always great looking guys either! Still don't get your hopes up; most boys
would rather be with a guy their own age. I think this is partly because of
different interests and maturity levels, but also because boys physically
find boys their own age to be more attractive. Maybe that's due to the fact
the sexual ideals at the time are hairless and youthful.

4)	Anal sex really doesn't come into play until later, as our young reader
has stated. I think he's pretty much dead on target. By the age of 15 I
thought the idea of anal sex was a pretty cool concept. Before that age
though I didn't touch myself down there and wanted nothing to do with it.
Even at 15 it was a scary idea and I was afraid of getting hurt. I was also
self conscious, it seemed like it would be a very exposing act and not
something I would do with a partner I didn't 100% trust. And yes there is
the fear of getting shit on your partner or getting it on your cock! I think
a lot of teens around that age might feel that way.

5)	Young kids and cumming. It differs for everybody I'd say. The first time
I ever had an orgasm it was when I was 11 and only a small drip of cum came
out (and to think I thought that was a whole load). When I reached the age
of 12 I could shoot a pretty good sized cum shot, hooray. So it's definitely
possible by the age of 12 and I'll bet there is the occasional 10 year old
and 11 year old that can too. I think it does relatively coincide with how
many pubes you've got and probably not too many pubic hairless kids will be
shooting more than a drop or two. As for a fear of cum. Personally I never
had any problem with cum. By the time I was 14 I had tasted my own and
wouldn't have minded to taste somebody else's, despite the weird taste. At
12 though? Not likely, simply because I didn't know anything about it at
that point.

6)	Dirty talking doesn't occur that much, I agree. I've never done that or
had it done to me. As a teen conversation was usually limited to an "Oh
yeah, that feels good" or a few grunts and groans at the climax. When I was
around 18 though I had a relationship where I could talk with the guy and
let him know what felt good and what to do, he was an older friend of mine.
So communication in any form during sex probably doesn't generally happen
until later when the boys are mature enough.

7)	Rough stuff during sex hasn't ever happened for me, nor would I want it
too. About the roughest stuff I did with boys was wrestling around with
friends. If anything rough happened it certainly wasn't during sex.

8)	The question of being gay. Well, that's a tough one. In today's society
if you have sex with another boy everyone wants to consider you gay, the gay
community, the homophobes, and everybody else. Possibly in response to this,
mixed with the fear of being outed, boys don't wish to consider themselves
gay. I'd argue though that often boys as young as 12 or 13 do know they are
gay. For me I knew by the time I was 13. Then when I was about 15 I tried to
be straight for a couple years. I had a girl friend, had sex with her and a
long relationship. Still I wasn't half as attracted to her as I was guys. By
the time I was 16 I was looking for guys again. So I think sometimes kids
definitely do know, but even when they do there is confusion as to whether
they really know or have made a mistake. It is normal for young boys to do
sexual things with other boys their age. Sometimes people do out grow that
period but for other's it will never change, and hey that's okay. So I feel
that many of the stories lack the confusion that kids feel about their
sexuality. They may think they know what their sexuality is, be unsure, not
have a clue, or anything in between, but knowing with 100% surety that they
are gay doesn't usually happen. And yes there is that fear of living a
closeted life, hiding your sexuality. That's a fear that probably doesn't go
away until you come out; however, I have no first hand experience with that.

	So that is my view point on the whole subject of reality in the Nifty
Archives. I think a lot of what our Young Critic had to say was dead on and
very accurate. Still there are boys who do some of the stuff of the more
outrageous stuff that's written here, albeit rarely. Also, the stories on
Nifty are often more fantasy than reality and much of what goes on should
not be applied to your real life (like having unprotected sex with many
different partners etc etc). So with that in mind some of the stories are
very well written, while being not much more than fantasy. Some people will
love that and others will demand realism. To each his own I suppose!

-Ckid

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