Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 06:06:25 -0700
From: Darrin Mcnoe <gruffanix@gmail.com>
Subject: At the Pool in the Park and the Older Men part 7

At the Pool in the Park and the older men

This is the seventh instalment of the fun and mischief I got up to and the
sex things I was introduced to by the older men I had met and come to love
so much, and there's always something new and fun for me to learn and new
older men to be met,

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I had been home about a week and half and the summer holidays had started
and Alex and when we were not together and we had the walkie talkies and
could chat with each other using them and James had told us about
frequencies and said we would have code words for certain things in case
other people were on the airwaves and we weren't a hundred percent sure
what that meant, but being kids we were soon coming up with with codewords
in no time, and when it came to spending time together Alex and I played
here in the houses and the bedrooms and the little back gardens, I wasn't
ready to go down to the park yet, and I hadn't even gone to the pool since
I had gotten out and came on home.

And we were up in our room and playing properly and I had Lego out and I
heard footsteps coming up and it was grandad and he came in and sat down
and he said he wanted to ask me a question and I said okay and I had looked
at Alex before grandad and he was just going to ask how I was doing with my
leg as I was having a bit of trouble with it and I was still having so much
physio, and grandad said would I be up for a weekend camping outdoors and
that Alex would also be going as well he and nan had just been talking to
Alex's parents about it and he wasn't sure where we were going exactly but
Dave and James were going to take them camping away and we were listening,
and grandad said if I didn't feel like I could do it, I didn't have to go
at all and we could talk about it again maybe nearer the end of of the
summer holidays, and when I said I should be okay and it would be nice for
grandad to have time with nan and you could have a quiet weekend, and
grandad did say that would be nice for a change lol.

And so we had to wait to Friday and we would be picked up then and we had
three days to wait and they did seem to drag on and grandad also helped me
pack a rucksack bag and we had all kinds of clothes and underwear and a
jumper too, even though I knew I wouldn't need the clothes at all unless we
were going out, and it just was a few days of being really bored as only
ten year olds can be when waiting for things to happen and we did have our
walkie talkies which we always left in our bedroom, and we were together a
lot on those three days and one of them I had spent around at Alex's, I did
have a bit of trouble going around there as to get there I had to go past
the spot where I had my accident and I went back and I got grandad to walk
around there with me, and on the way grandad did stop and talk to a few of
the people from our street and they all remarked that I was doing much
better after the accident and on the corner was the house with lady who we
knew and I just knew her to say hello to and being little angel I was I was
smiling up at her and she gave me a pound to buy some sweets and back then
we had £1 notes and that was a lot of money to me and I said thankyou, and
after a little chat we continued around to the Alex's house and we knocked
and grandad was talking to Alex's mom and dad about and you can always
tell, and he said something about a panic attack and that he walked me
around and maybe I can be walked back home and grandad gave me a hug told
me to be good and headed home, I came through to the lounge as that's where
Alex had been and we sat in the sofa and we chatted and watched cartoons
and when alone discussed what we might get up to  when we went camping and
the rest of the day was usual 10 year old fun and antics, and when we went
up to Alex's room which took time as there was two flights of stairs and I
was worn out and I did see that Alex also had a new bed, not bunk beds like
mine just a bigger bed I think it would be a double size and Alex said I
sleep on the left and easier to get up and nearer to the bathroom or escape
from tickling, I was testing it out and he did attack me with kisses and
big cuddles and his hands were roaming all over my body and he said 'Boing'
as he knew when he put his hand down my shorts he would find my cock all
hard and it certainly was and that led to kisses and I tried to roll over
and as that didn't work I was kind of pinned and I wasn't planning on
escape, He just wanted to be on top lol, but I was enjoying the kissing and
my hands were free to roam up and down the sides of his body and up under
his T-shirt and I heard the first little moan when my thumbs brushed both
of his nipples and he lowered his body down and I could feel his hard cock
grinding and rubbing against me I know mine was rubbing against his as well
and I just wrapped my arms around his waist and I moved them further down
and it just felt perfect and I gently squeezed and held him with a hand on
each sides of his sexy bum, and it was great I could feel the tingly
feeling building up and Alex grinding and kissing my neck and then shoulder
and he could him moaning but trying to keep quiet by keeping his lips
against my body and we must have being going at it for about ten minutes
and then when the firework moment arrived and I did my little growl and
then a yelp and he had accidentally bit me on the shoulder, so that was my
first love bite, although at that time we didn't know it was called that
and Alex was so apologetic and I said that's okay and I had a no idea what
was left there until I looked in the mirror and as I would be wearing a
T-shirt I'd be okay.

When Friday morning arrived and I had my ruck sack by the front door and
every single time I heard a car I'd get up and look out the window and
finally at half past ten arrived and I heard the car door and I was smiling
and so excited (not that I already wasn't over excited lol) and I said
goodbye to Nan and Grandad and they told me to be to good and careful and I
promised I would and I got in the back and shuffled over and then as we
drove off I waved and Dave was driving and said "how's my beautiful little
man today" and I said "okay a bit achy", and I was asked if I had brought
my medication with me and I replied yes I had and it was on top in my
rucksack and they are asked how's my chest and leg and arm and I said "that
still they did hurt a little but not to much, my leg hurts more than my
chest and my arm doesn't hurt at all, and I definitely thought not enough
to want to ruin the weekend away" I always told the truth plus if anything
did cause a problem they would notice straight away and I said "it hurt a
little the other night when Alex had me pinned on his new bed" "well we
make sure he is gentle this weekend" said James and they both looked at
Alex one in the rearview mirror and James slightly turning, and he smiled
and said "what" and we laughed, and we pulled up outside Alex's house and
he was all ready and waiting door open, and when Dave pulled up he seemed w
bit surprised that he was out there and said to James before he got out I
wondered how long he had been sitting there, and I said "since I told him
on the walkie talkie you brought for me that you were at mine I'm guessing"
with a big grin and they both laughed and again I thanked them for that
gift and James talked to Alex's mom and dad and it looked to me like he was
excited and impatient to get in the car and get going lol.

Eventually we were in the car and off Alex and I were sat in the back
holding hands and blowing kisses to each other and after about ten minutes
of driving and nice small talk Alex shuffled closer and was whispering our
version of sexy talk in each other's ear, bearing in mind we don't know
much it was limited and it still did the job and we were already horny and
now driving out of town and in the country side and we had a nice big long
kiss and Dave must have seen us in the rear view mirror and said "can't we
wait till we get *home *or we would be worn out before we got there" and
finished the kiss and said "yes daddy" and he growled at us from the
driving seat,

We pulled up into the drive way and the car was parked and Alex got out
first and I liked watching that sexy bum of his wiggle as he picked up the
rucksacks and went in and James helped me out and I had my crutches and
once inside and I laughed as did James as Alex was already in the process
of stripping down, and Dave said slow down little man we have all weekend
for fun and sexy stuff, first let's take the rucksacks to your room, which
we did and once that was done I sat on the bed and Alex came over between
my legs stood there his topless body pressed against mine and gave me a
nice long kiss and hooked his hands under my T-shirt and pulled it up over
my head and put it in the bed and that's when James and Dave both saw the
mark on my shoulder and said "you gave him a hickey" Alex and I just looked
at them blankly and they said it's a mark of passion, and then they saw the
further blank expressions and said "give us a moment" and they went off
somewhere and that led us it was a lovely big cuddle and I could feel how
excited Alex was as there trembling or maybe it was just a heart racing I
had my arms around him and leaning planted kisses on his lips and neck and
we just rolled back on to the bed and about five or six minutes later we
are still half dressed and laying on the bed cuddled up and Dave returned
and asked us to come with him and we went to the lounge where James was sat
and there was drinks and I saw crisps and sweets so I know we were not in
trouble for anything.

We were sat on the sofa and we were side by side holding hands, we were
comfortable they had sat opposite us, the first question James asked " do
you know about the birds and bee's" (nowadays I'm pretty sure kids of all
ages know it back then it's not so easy to get hold of info at a click of a
finger) so I look at Alex he shrugs and I said "a bees stung me when I was
eight and it hurt a lot" and I had been serious, they chuckled and asked
the next question, "where do you think babies come from" and I course knew
this answer and so did Alex "I was found under a gooseberry bush" and Alex
was brought by a Stork, which did get a lot of laughter and they said maybe
this would help they had a magazine and he was right it did explain
everything and although Alex and I gave a couple of "Eww" remarks here and
definitely a few giggles too, we both said "that we did not want to do that
at all ever", and it was later and after a couple of questions and we were
all done and we were then asked what we wanted to do next and as it was
almost lunch time and I needed my next medication for my leg and Dave had a
suggestion and it was a gentle massage to help with my leg and relax all
our muscles.

And Alex and I agreed to this even though I wasn't sure about a whole body
one, I had had leg ones as part of my physio and so we went and had some
sandwiches for   Lunch and they were lovely and we were happy, although i
was looking forward to naked fun time, I knew we had all weekend for that
and then when I had finished Dave around my side of the table and got down
to my height and "come on then my little soldier" and he helped me stand up
and picked me up and fireman carried me to the room with the cushions and I
could hear Alex laughing and he was not only laughing at me he was also
getting his own carry into the cushion room, and I was put down next to one
of the tables with the holes in it and Alex next to the other and I was
told to relax and given a nice big kiss and cuddle and Dave was looking me
all over and at the scars and marks from the surgery and he kisses my chest
and my belly and then blew a raspberry on my tummy and that made me giggles
and, he gently pulled down my shorts and even though I wasn't facing Alex I
had heard him say "Boing" and I wasn't sure if he meant me or him, and yep
I was hard, and my little briefs came off next and Dave said "I have missed
you and this beautiful body" and I though I was going to get the usual
tingly fun but instead I was picked up and laid on the bed table thing and
told to put my head through the hole and I did that and I said I could see
Dave's feet and my arms laying down at my side, and I felt something poured
on my body which was cold and it startled me and I was told to relax it was
oil and for the next hour after a few giggles when my side got tickled at
the beginning and my shoulders and down my legs and up and down my back and
spine, and then the fingers were on my bum and then up and down there
between my cheeks and every time it brushed against my hole, I wasn't sure
at first but it felt like it was trying to enter me and I could hear the
moaning sounds from Alex, and I was sure he was getting the same treatment
and then we were rolled over and very gently and it was a bit bright on my
eyes facing up wards, but when I could focus I was smiling upwards and Dave
said your enjoying this and I nodded and then the front massage began and I
was letting out little groans and I was well on the way to the tingles and
I knew the tables were close and I can see one of Alex's arms off the side
of the table I reached out to try and hold his hand and I couldn't quite
reach and tried shuffling and Dave told me to hang on and he moved around
he lifted Alex's arm and hand and gave me that to hold an I said "thank
you" and he turned his head to smile at me and the massage continued and I
did find it so relaxing and then I heard the moaning again and it was
getting louder, which I really love to hear and also here he can be as loud
as he liked and I'm closing my eyes and listening and I can feel the
tingles or Orgasm as had been explained earlier in our talk and what I
liked is Alex pronouncing it organism, I still preferred the tingles and I
felt Dave's hand on my cock and he was stroking with his thumb and finger
and his other hand was moving between my legs and all that oiling and
massage the grip on my hand with Alex was very tight, and I'm not sure if
it was a finger a thumb I know it was some digit and it entered me a little
bit and it either hit or found something and I was making so much noise as
Alex which was very unusual for me but I loved it, and I was shaking when I
had finished I was still throbbing my heart was beating so hard Dave leaned
in and gave me a huge long kiss, and he said I was magnificent and I
thought I was supposed to be thanking him but wow.

A few minutes later and I was sat up my little cock actually asleep for a
change and Alex was smiling too and when they asked us what we wanted to do
next, of course I wanted more sexy fun, but I was just so worn out, and I
said "I want to see you to naked and give you a massage" and so we switched
and I got James undressed and Dave was with Alex, and there were many
bottles on the little table and I hadn't got a clue and so I had to ask and
they said use the baby oil, and then I aimed at James is back and having
never used it, I was not prepared for how much and how fast would come out
and I'd say at least a quarter of a bottle shot out and went everywhere and
I'm reaching around trying to scoop up and use it all and giggling as well,
and then I had oil on my hands and the bottle and the table and James of
course and I was having a bit of trouble getting around the table without
my crutches and i stayed in the same spot and I could reach almost
everywhere, and boy did I did massage that sexy furry body and his back was
just as hairy as his front and up shoulders and neck and bum and legs and I
couldn't get around to the feet and so I did his sides and under his arms
and then I got him to roll over and that lovely long cock all hard in front
of me, now you know me by now, you know I wanted to start at the cock and
then just spend my time there lol, but I did chest and shoulders and once I
had done his arm he reached down and put it around my waist and just made
up and down motions it was like a caress and cuddle and also it was
reassuring that he was enjoying the massage I was giving him and I found it
also helped me stand up okay and I did his chest and his nipples, I was
amazed how shiny the baby oil made his body and all that fur look, and I
looked across at Alex and he was shiny and Dave was shiny and form what I
could see of me and I was shiny and slippery, baby oil makes everything
slippery as I found out, and I continued they massage his little growls and
moans and I put my hand on his hard cock and found out baby oil and cock is
very slippery but fun like holding and squeezing wet soap lol, and as I
massages and I was trying to get closer as I have not had any of those
lovely drops that appear form the tip in  along time and I could see out of
the corner of my eye Alex had Dave's hard cock in his hand and then I saw
Alex just sucking on Dave's cock and I can hear load moans and I wanted to
do the same but I couldn't reach properly and I was stroking watching the
other table and my hand had been getting faster and James seeing I was
trying to get close to his cock he kind of slightly turned towards me so
his cock would be closer to my face and that's when my oily hand flew off
the cock and hit myself in the face, it was funny later but for a tiny
second it hurt a lot and I did stumble and land flat on my bum and back
against the wall everybody stopped what they were doing and Dave and James
got off the table and I can tell they were worried at first and it had left
tears in my eyes as I had caught the bridge of my nose and no lasting
damage and about five minutes later I persuaded them to lay back down on
the table and although we were both facing a couple of cocks now half
asleep, but I was determined to wake the one in front of me back up, and my
first thought was to climb up there on the table and use both hands and
stroke and lick and kiss and do what ever I could to wake up the yummy cock
in front of me however, it felt so different to hold it gently in my hand
all nice and soft and stroke it and feel it waking up and coming to life
and it does throb more and a vein on the side seems to expand and then as
it gets firmer and hotter and the tip, I was always gentle as without the
foreskin I was worried about hurting it, but I could hold and stroke with
one hand and the other hand gently hold and massage those heavy balls and i
know that if I rolled my oily palm of my hand around the head of James's
cock it was so sensitive and I got a loud moan, and I know I could do that
for ages and I wanted to do that thing that Dave did to me with the finger
or thumb and I was also worried after the oil and the cock incident a few
minutes ago sticking a finger up there and in my head I pictured it getting
stuck lol, but I wanted to try anyway and so one hand I slid between the
legs and he did move his legs apart and I did brush the hole and I don't
think I had the confidence to do the next part, but I know what James liked
and I reached up and played with a nipple, I had a thought of sucking and
licking one, and stroking and playing with his balls with my hands at the
same time too, I did want to try as much as possible, but I didn't want to
fall over again, so I settled for stroking the cock and licking a nipple
and I had james arm going up and down my back and also caressing and
rubbing my bum and then I went back down to stroking and playing with his
balls and I couldn't reach his cock properly and so I just started blowing
at it and he stuck his head up and looked at me asked what I was doing and
I said I can't reach to lick it and he chuckles and shuffled closer for me
and I just went for it and I don't know if it's the practice I had before
or the oil but I seemed to get more in as it reached the back of my throat
straight away and I did gag a bit and I heard James said "to take it easy"
and I also heard breathe through your nose, but I don't remember which one
of them said that to me, and I just leant there bobbing my head up and down
and I can hear the breathing getting better and my hand on his nipple I
could feel the heart beating and it felt like pounding and I seemed to be
doing the best blow job ever and I don't know why every down stroke it was
right angle where it reached the back of my throat and no more gagging and
then I felt it there was a hand at the back of my neck and then in my mouth
I felt the throbbing and pulsing and I heard a grunting sound and squirt
after squirt of lovely warm seed, and James was thrusting his hips as if to
empty every drop, and it had been a while since I have had that and it
seemed to taste even better than I remembered I know I would have liked
some more, and as I pulled back and his cock came out there was another
drip at the tip and I wasn't letting that get away and I sucked that and
another drip and I sucked that and James said "are you having fun", and I
nodded said "every time I come away and another drip appears" and he smiled
and he his cock at the base and stroked it upwards and any left in the
pipework as he would say came out and he scooped it up on to his finger and
I opened my mouth and he inserted it in and I sucked his finger clean and
he pulled me in for a bear hug of a cuddle and a long kiss and he sat me on
the table and I thought I was getting another massage and he went and I
think he had a quick visit to the bathroom and then returned with my
crutches and Alex and Dave were cuddling over on the other table and we
were walking out in to the other room, and it only been about four hours
and I had days yet and I know I was going to enjoy what ever they have
planned next and I heard them talking about something that had been put in
the bathroom and they had little garden reclining chairs near the pool and
I heard the phone ringing whilst we headed there and Dave went off to
answer that and I was watching his sexy bum walk, I liked all three sexy
bums they could walk in a line in front of me all day and I'd be happy,
James asked me if I wanted to lay in the sunshine or have a swim and I said
swim as that's something I haven't done since before my accident and so
james had me sit on the edge of the pool and he put my crutches behind me
and he hopped in and reached his arms out and helped me down into the water
and Alex waited till we were in and then cannon balled in and soaked us
both and we were all laughing and splashing and about five six minutes
later Dave came back through and walked up to the pool and he asked James
where some work file was, and James replied in the study and on the desk
right side and Dave went to have a look and he couldn't find it and so he
came and got James to come and help him, they went to have a look and find
it which I am sure they did and I was busy playing with Alex in the water,
and I was either floating on my back and Alex was rubbing his hands over my
body and I was so relaxed and then he splashed me and I was trying to get
him back and I ducked under the water and having the odd fondle of Alex and
he didn't swim away from that and when I came up out of the water I could
hear talking and I had thought it was James and Dave until I heard a third
voice I didn't recognise and I turned and there was a man with a big beard
and it reminded me of a Santa beard all white and he was about the same
size in build as Dave maybe his belly was a bit bigger he had the grey hair
to be a Santa it was a bit whiter than James was  and they were talking and
he had something in his hand, and I had assumed it was the paperwork that
Dave had been looking for earlier and they were talking and save had his
back to me and I could see James was there stood beside them and James
could see us in the pool and smiled as from his end there was two little
heads at the side of the pool peeking over the top at all three of them.

James said something to Dave who turned and laughed and then the man turned
and looked and he had a very deep booming sort of voice and he said "why
hello there" and he had a friendly smile and Dave said "why don't you get
out and come and say hello" as they were naked and the man didn't seem to
have a problem with that and Alex got up the ladder and I remember him
saying some thing about fine specimen of a young man and look at that
beautiful body and he got Alex to give a spin around and he did smiling,
and he looked towards me and I remembered the "aren't you getting out to
son there's nothing to be shy about, I've seen it all before and I have
seen many young boys as beautiful as yourselves" it was then James realised
that I couldn't get out with my leg and that ladder and I remember hearing
an "ah then sorry sweetie" and he came and got in and lifted me up on to
the side and when he got out he picked up my crutches and then gave them to
me, and I came over I held a hand out and he shook my hand, and introduced
himself as Michael and he then apologised as he had heard of the accident
and didn't realise I was still had a little problem getting about, and he
talked about me and physio hospital stuff, and was I doing that and I could
see him keep looking me up and down as well as Alex and I was positive I
saw him lick his lips and he was very polite, Alex and I then sat on the
little chairs near by, mainly because they were talking and only every now
and then we were part of the conversation, I know I heard words here and
there about 'breeding ' and the words 'cherry' 'missionary' 'doggy' but
then it could have been 'Dodgy' I wasn't listening it was rude to do that,
it was just he had that deep voice and you couldn't help but hear other
words too, and he also mentioned another name Sebastian, and he did say
"his Sebastian" and I wasn't sure who that was about half hour later he was
ready to head off, he mentioned work things to and before he left he came
over to say goodbye, and he asked if it would be okay to have a goodbye
hug, and I looked straight at James and he nodded and if he said it was
okay and I stood up and so did Alex and I remember when I got my hug he
squeezed my bum and made a little growl, and then Alex had his hug and he
said good bye and he did look us up and down and he said "much much better
in person rather than just pictures" (and didn't dawn on me till much later
that he might have seen our pictures) he told not to be to good this
weekend and that we might see him again over the summer and Dave saw him
out and James stayed with us and he asked us what we thought of him, and I
said he looked like Santa with the beard and the belly, and he said he gets
that a lot, and he said he either was a judge or used to be a judge, I just
remember the word judge being used, and he said he liked you both a lot and
maybe we would have fun at a later point, maybe a little pool party in a
few weeks.

When Dave came back he also asked what we thought of him and we said the
same as we and said about him to James, and he then went and got something
from the garage and it was two big packages and it turns out that it was a
tent and the poles (and as it was many years before the one flick and the
tent goes up those tent) there was about an hour of bending over crawling
about and the odd bit of mischief from myself or Alex and the other package
once the tent was up was for inside and it was two huge sleeping bags and
they were each a double size and they did some unzipping of each separate
one and then zipped them together as one big long sleeping bag that could
fit at least five people but judging on our sizes it would be comfortable
enough for us and James went into the house and he came out with some of
the cushions from the relaxing room and we put them down as lovely and we
were laying down to test it out as Dave had said, and Alex and I were in
the middle and I had Dave behind me and James was behind Alex, and it
doesn't take much to get me excited but I saw Alex had got three before me
"Boing" I sad and he laughed and he put his head to mine and whispered some
thing in my ear.

And we were going to roll over and launch a kiss attack on both Dave and
James at the same time, and so I rolled over and there was Dave
unsuspecting and I lean in for the first kiss and then straddling him I
laughed and said the "kiss attack" and launched it and was kissing all over
his faces and neck and I could reach his shoulders and that meant I move my
waist down over his and I could feel his cock just resting against my bum
and it felt so warm and i shuffled down a bit more as I was trying rest my
cock and balls on top of his and I could reach his nipple and so I started
kissing that to and I heard a squeak from Alex and James had turned the
tables and rolled over and now had him at his mercy and kissing him back
and he is laughing and wiggling and trying to escape, and I had expected
Dave to do the same but he was quite happy with the position I was already
in and he said "why would I do the same as James, when I have you right
where I want you" and I laughed and said "no it is me who has you pinned
here and you will have kisses until you bed for me to stop", and he replied
"with what if I don't want you to stop" and he was laughing, and this had
me there,  i was puzzled, and thinking what to do next he was trusting and
moving his hips up under me so our cocks were rubbing back and forth and I
was enjoying this,

And then Dave said how about you shuffle forward a bit, and so I moved up
his chest and I had thought my weight and movement might be squishing that
lovely cock of his and it turns out nope, it was a way to get me forward a
little more and then a little more and then he said "now why don't you
slide up a little closer and then I can get that lovely cock of yours into
my mouth" now I hadn't been in an on top position and I didn't mind that at
all, I was up by his shoulders and his head on the cushion and I leant
forward and he first stuck his tongue out and it tickled the tip so much
and then ran up and down the sides and I was told that was a good baby and
I needed to move a little closer I was practically over the top of his
face, and he said that's perfect and it was all sucked in and back out and
Dave's hands were on my hips and bum and he started sliding me back and
forth in a motion and there was a wonderful suction feeling and the sounds
were sloppy and then a popping sound and I'm rocking and I looked across
and James and Alex were in a sixty nine position, and I could hear the
moans from Alex and I always find that so hot and I know Dave makes those
moans to but so similar yet different and James was growling and I'm heavy
breathing and panting so close to the tingling and I can feel Dave's hands
squeezing my bum and he was running his tongue around the tip and at the
same time it felt like he was trying to devour me alive or at least swallow
me alive and I felt the tingle building and it was very intense and seemed
more intense than usual and I was shaking and I started feeling a little
light headed and  I was just so out of energy and started sliding forward
and Dave's reached out and held me and stopped me falling flat on my face
and he laid me down next to him and gave me a nice long kiss and just held
me close and I noticed it was quieter behind me, however I was out of
energy and just loving this cuddle and I know it wasn't going to be long
before I was fast asleep, I heard james and Dave talking and I remember
saying to Dave "Is what everyone going camping does" "more or less he
replied, and with a big smile and he added "just wait till what we have
planned for tonight and the rest of the weekend" and that was the the last
thing I remembered for a little while at least.